New project: NEO GEO emulation on the Atari Falcon 030
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- Captain Atari
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Re: New project: NEO GEO emulation on the Atari Falcon 030
Could you give deeper explanation why do you think the chips aren't possible? The Amiga chipset is cleverly designed and tied together, but it's not rocket enginnering in any aspect.
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Re: New project: NEO GEO emulation on the Atari Falcon 030
Let me rephrase that: it is possible, but it will emulation wiill never be good enough for games&demos (mostly due to timing issues) or fast enough - Falcon is just to slow for that.
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Re: New project: NEO GEO emulation on the Atari Falcon 030
Falcon can be just 16MHz 030 to 100MHz 060 or anything between. The overclocked Falcon to 50/25MHz leaves roughly 2/3 of CPU power to the custom chipset emulation, which is not that bad. The hardest part would be to setup the basic counter what will represent the 15kHz/50Hz beam position and sync the copper emulation to it. I'm not sure the Timer A is presice enough for that task, though. This is actually the hardest part.
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Re: New project: NEO GEO emulation on the Atari Falcon 030
Neither Amiga couldn't emulate Atari nor Atari couldn't emulate Amiga at cycle exact yet. Also Pentium at 450MHz would not do that. Why? due to lack of computation power.
Also currently there is no any emulator which could emulate Atari 520ST on cycle exact. E.g. if I remember correctly Hatari do that once per scanline (512 cycles).
Also currently there is no any emulator which could emulate Atari 520ST on cycle exact. E.g. if I remember correctly Hatari do that once per scanline (512 cycles).
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Re: New project: NEO GEO emulation on the Atari Falcon 030
I don't talking about cycle exact. It is just impossible just because the CPU code would run directly on the 030. However, the way the amiga chipset works requires synchronisation at least on the HBL level otherwise you will see only garbage on the screen in most cases.
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Re: New project: NEO GEO emulation on the Atari Falcon 030
I think that there is no any objection to port UAE (or FS-UAE or PUAE)to MiNT. The question is who could do that.
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Re: New project: NEO GEO emulation on the Atari Falcon 030
Porting of the UAE makes no sense, indeed. Actually I did it many years ago and even on Aranym JIT it was horribly slow. But the same point is valid for porting an existing NeoGEO or x68000 emulator.
However the discussion is not about porting the emulators, but running the native 68k code directly on the host CPU in the MMU defined sandbox and emulating "just" the custom hardware under interrupts.
However the discussion is not about porting the emulators, but running the native 68k code directly on the host CPU in the MMU defined sandbox and emulating "just" the custom hardware under interrupts.
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Re: New project: NEO GEO emulation on the Atari Falcon 030
Hi,
Can someone tell me why when I download Neo Geoemulation and when I put the game to play at first for 10-20 sec it's all black I hear the music in the background but I don't see the game? After a while everything becomes normal. I use RetroArch emulator to play games on my pc. a
Can someone tell me why when I download Neo Geoemulation and when I put the game to play at first for 10-20 sec it's all black I hear the music in the background but I don't see the game? After a while everything becomes normal. I use RetroArch emulator to play games on my pc. a
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Re: New project: NEO GEO emulation on the Atari Falcon 030
Did a VGA patch ever get released for Metal Slug?
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Re: New project: NEO GEO emulation on the Atari Falcon 030
Hi,
Any update ?
Any update ?
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Re: New project: NEO GEO emulation on the Atari Falcon 030
Any updates?? I finally got a Falcon 060.... !!