Operating systems

Nikolas · Post by **Nikolas** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:08 pm

I was try to get os like Mint(had one before), but i havent find one on wiki, maybe more infos is required for operating system.

DarkLord · Post by **DarkLord** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:15 pm

Nikolas/Ego wrote:I was try to get os like Mint(had one before), but i havent find one on wiki, maybe more infos is required for operating system.

Your best bet would probably be to go with EasyMint:

http://atari.st-katharina-apotheke.de/h ... e=easymint

Hope this helps.

Ragstaff · Post by **Ragstaff** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:38 am

There is this page on the wiki, which has some info about Mint:
http://www.atari-forum.com/wiki/index.p ... ternatives

Nikolas · Post by **Nikolas** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:21 pm

I got mint 1.2 (1.02?) its ok ¸...

Post by **joska** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:37 pm

DarkLord wrote:
Nikolas/Ego wrote:I was try to get os like Mint(had one before), but i havent find one on wiki, maybe more infos is required for operating system.
Your best bet would probably be to go with EasyMint:

According to his sig he has a 4Mb ST. MiNT - and especially heavier stuff like EasyMiNT - is not recommended on ST's. I'm not even sure if EasyMiNT will work on a ST.

I have used MiNT on an ST in the early nineties. Even then I thought it was slow. I would rather suggest MagiC or Geneva on a ST - Geneva in particular is a cool and lightweight option for multitasking on a ST.

And btw - install LaceScan when using an ST for "serious" stuff. It's free and it's very cool. I remember running at 736x480 (or something very similar) on a plain SM124, the extra pixels made it a lot more usable.

wongck · Post by **wongck** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:33 am

joska wrote:According to his sig he has a 4Mb ST. MiNT - and especially heavier stuff like EasyMiNT - is not recommended on ST's. I'm not even sure if EasyMiNT will work on a ST.

Easymint will not but another one - Cripple mint will I think.

Easiest is to just got to spare mint web and grab the kernel files archive and un-archive into your sh-204.

Then setup your AUTO programs so that the correct orde for MINT. just RTFM.

Nikolas · Post by **Nikolas** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:11 am

Operating system for basic st, yes, that what i ask.
Mint 1.02 works ok, it crash abit yes, ill try next oses for my atari st.
If you got any other good info that i may use, your welcome..

Post by **joska** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:05 am

Nikolas/Ego wrote:Operating system for basic st, yes, that what i ask.
Mint 1.02 works ok, it crash abit yes, ill try next oses for my atari st.
If you got any other good info that i may use, your welcome..

On a plain ST with 4Mb I would recommend MagiC with Teradesk. That will leave you with about 3Mb for running programs, and applications will run at the same speed as under TOS. MiNT is not recommended at all. It can work (I've tried it under STEem at 100% CPU speed, and it was horribly, horribly slow) but will not be usable for anything. Atleast not compared to MagiC.

wongck · Post by **wongck** » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:49 pm

Nikolas/Ego wrote:Mint 1.02 works ok, it crash abit yes, ill try next oses for my atari st.

That version is pretty old, probably Mint 1.14 will fair better.
But Joska is correct, Mint will leave you with < 1MB to play with.
So MagiC is your best bet. When I was using ST, MagiC works very well.

Nikolas · Post by **Nikolas** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:22 pm

Links plzz for magiC and teradesk so i will dl and install to my ultrasatan device.

I will use xboot to swich wich os i will like to boot.

ty..

wongck · Post by **wongck** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:24 pm

Nikolas/Ego wrote:Links plzz for magiC and teradesk so i will dl and install to my ultrasatan device.

If you're using MagiC, then don't bother with teradesk, as it comes with a nice default desktop.... plain but optimised.

Post by **joska** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:45 pm

wongck wrote:
Nikolas/Ego wrote:Links plzz for magiC and teradesk so i will dl and install to my ultrasatan device.
If you're using MagiC, then don't bother with teradesk, as it comes with a nice default desktop.... plain but optimised.

MagxDesk is nice, but it's no match for Teradesk. The only thing it does better is displaying a desktop image, which Teradesk can't.

wongck · Post by **wongck** » Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:24 am

Teradesk or MagXdesk?
Just make sure you have sufficient memory for your other apps.

Can't remember the memory footprint for magxdesk, but teradesk been said to use not too much ram.

Nikolas · Post by **Nikolas** » Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:16 pm

mint 1.02 for st machine, somthing that can run on st..(i dont have "ct60" on top of my 68k cpu

)

wongck · Post by **wongck** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:45 pm

Nikolas/Ego wrote:mint 1.02 for st machine, somthing that can run on st..(i dont have "ct60" on top of my 68k cpu )

It's the ram that you need, really.

DarkLord · Post by **DarkLord** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:37 pm

wongck wrote:
Nikolas/Ego wrote:mint 1.02 for st machine, somthing that can run on st..(i dont have "ct60" on top of my 68k cpu )
It's the ram that you need, really.

I agree, RAM is the most needed thing for MINT on a 68k machine, but once you add a
desktop....you really do need some kind of accelerator as well - otherwise the performance
"hit" is noticable.

You just don't notice it as much when you're in a shell and text only.

wongck · Post by **wongck** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:46 pm

DarkLord wrote: I agree, RAM is the most needed thing for MINT on a 68k machine, but once you add a
desktop....you really do need some kind of accelerator as well - otherwise the performance
"hit" is noticable.
You just don't notice it as much when you're in a shell and text only.

Before I had my Falc & TT, I was using mint 1.15 on the 4MB STFM.
Seems usable with an desktop (mainly editing), but rather use MagiC on it.

For sure it's better on a Falc or TT or accelerator

DarkLord · Post by **DarkLord** » Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:33 pm

wongck wrote: Before I had my Falc & TT, I was using mint 1.15 on the 4MB STFM.
Seems usable with an desktop (mainly editing), but rather use MagiC on it.

For sure it's better on a Falc or TT or accelerator

Just curious - what desktop did you use on your ST with MINT?

Only reason I'm asking is, when I had a stock Falcon, I thought MINT was slow
on it, let alone a stock ST...

wongck · Post by **wongck** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:45 am

DarkLord wrote:Only reason I'm asking is, when I had a stock Falcon, I thought MINT was slow
on it, let alone a stock ST...

IIRC, it was not the fancy desktop like Jinnee, Ease or Thing.
Because these takes memory from the 4MB.
Mostly I was using default GEM desktop on the STFM & Falc (4MB) with Mint.
And yes, it is slow but bearable. NVDI helps with screen updates

When I had 14MB on my Falc, I tried Jinnee Ease and Thing.
I think I ended up with Thing v1.0 or something like that.
And that's on 16MHz. Not too bad, usable.

Then there was a gap of 3-4 years (twice) before I pick up again

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