FirST Love by Overlanders

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FirST Love by Overlanders

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hello there,

seriously, not yet a thread about the return of one of the best group of demo makers ?
with a very impressive demo , going further than what has already been done on ST.

https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=89673
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Unfortunately, due to social media, this forum is usually not the first post news like this.
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I was so happy to run this demo on my STE. It ran perfectly. To do it, I found an 28 year old floppy a friend gave me that had the syntax terror demo on it and overwrote that with FirST Love. You can guess that I don't have a floppy emulator. Anyway, I wanted to say that it is quite an emotional experience to see this crew make a comeback. I think of Froggies and the effect it has had on me, and my sadness at the time of its release because I felt the demoscene on the ST was fading away. Its really amazing that old dads can return to DevPac after so many years and knock out some code of beauty. Also, the music. The tune Jess composed for the demo is intricate, synchronized perfectly, and is quite varied, and even includes some cpu heavy effects.
Additionally, there don't seem to be any overscan effects in the demo, yet, it totally rocks. Shows that design and execution still matter.
All praise to overlanders for pulling this off so well.
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Just finished watching it -- freakin' awesome STuff! :)
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well done :) congrats
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This demo made me order 4MB of RAM, don't want to watch it again on YouTube :)
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Amazingly well done! great demo!!!
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YQN wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:32 pm This demo made me order 4MB of RAM, don't want to watch it again on YouTube :)
hope you own an STE :)
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That part with a "game" like Uridium is awesome... One of the best graphics on Atari IMHO.
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terence wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:47 pm
YQN wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:32 pm This demo made me order 4MB of RAM, don't want to watch it again on YouTube :)
hope you own an STE :)
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Wow - phenomenal... the bit with texture mapped objects looks insane!
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prog99 wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:49 pm
terence wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:47 pm
YQN wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:32 pm This demo made me order 4MB of RAM, don't want to watch it again on YouTube :)
hope you own an STE :)
Doesn't need one!
I'm gonna use it for the STe anyway :)
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prog99 wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 7:49 pm
terence wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 6:47 pm
YQN wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:32 pm This demo made me order 4MB of RAM, don't want to watch it again on YouTube :)
hope you own an STE :)
Doesn't need one!
no, but 4 MB on a STF is a mess. a nice video about that : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhZ0U2estFA
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Great demo! And Lot's of small details one notices only when looking closer at things. :-)

In Janek's scroll text there was a mention of some things being different between Hatari and real machine (e.g. overscan from floppy being black). Was something missing from Hatari, or was it just bad config (e.g. non-exact floppy emulation)?
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Eero Tamminen wrote: Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:28 pm Great demo! And Lot's of small details one notices only when looking closer at things. :-)

In Janek's scroll text there was a mention of some things being different between Hatari and real machine (e.g. overscan from floppy being black). Was something missing from Hatari, or was it just bad config (e.g. non-exact floppy emulation)?
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Overscan with DMA floppy transfers at the same time is not possible on real ST, because the DMA will take some cycle shared with the CPU, thus overscan timings will be altered. Under Hatari we don't emulate these DMA cycles over CPU, so overscan remains stable, which is not correct (this would need to be measured on a real ST to see at which point cycles are taken and at which rate, knowing that floppy DMA transfers 16 bytes at a time)
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sp3ct3r wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:14 am Additionally, there don't seem to be any overscan effects in the demo, yet, it totally rocks. Shows that design and execution still matter.
All praise to overlanders for pulling this off so well.
Well there is plenty of sync scrolling going on, which essentially is overscan in all forms possible :-)
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Eero Tamminen wrote: Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:28 pm Great demo! And Lot's of small details one notices only when looking closer at things. :-)

In Janek's scroll text there was a mention of some things being different between Hatari and real machine (e.g. overscan from floppy being black). Was something missing from Hatari, or was it just bad config (e.g. non-exact floppy emulation)?
Iirc, the stabilizer switch to hires, results in black pixel output on the real machine, but doesnt show at all on hatari.
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evil wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:16 pm
sp3ct3r wrote: Thu Aug 26, 2021 1:14 am Additionally, there don't seem to be any overscan effects in the demo, yet, it totally rocks. Shows that design and execution still matter.
All praise to overlanders for pulling this off so well.
Well there is plenty of sync scrolling going on, which essentially is overscan in all forms possible :-)
:lol: So true !
Moreover sync scrolling is overscan that you want to hide !
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not exactly
in fullscreen you have to be always synchronized, and you can not use divs muls, except using a timer fullscreen which consumes a lot of cpu time.
fullscreen involves a lot more time consumed in coding. even using a fullscreen generator that inserts your code directly in fullscreen lines as we did around '91
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Hi Nicolas,
npomarede wrote: Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:26 am Under Hatari we don't emulate these DMA cycles over CPU, so overscan remains stable, which is not correct (this would need to be measured on a real ST to see at which point cycles are taken and at which rate, knowing that floppy DMA transfers 16 bytes at a time)
Oh! I wasn't aware Hatari don't emulate the DMA cycles. It is important, IMHO. Some protection could conceivable break because of this.

Note that it is not very important to emulate exactly when each DMA cycle is performed. As a matter of fact this is usually variable because it depends on the floppy timing. What is probably more important, and it should be rather simple to implement I guess, is to just steal those cycles from the CPU.
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ijor wrote: Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:33 pm Oh! I wasn't aware Hatari don't emulate the DMA cycles. It is important, IMHO. Some protection could conceivable break because of this.

Note that it is not very important to emulate exactly when each DMA cycle is performed. As a matter of fact this is usually variable because it depends on the floppy timing. What is probably more important, and it should be rather simple to implement I guess, is to just steal those cycles from the CPU.
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not wanting to hijack Overlanders' demo topic :) , I created a new thread here https://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=40994 to discuss this further.
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I just put 4MB RAM in my 1040 STFM mostly for this demo, and while it was a lot of work I think it was worth it for this. Really mind-blowing to finally see this run on my machine. The design, the effects, the music, and the flow of it all, it's really quite unbelievable. Also really enjoyed reading the end part stories. Put a smile on my face. :)
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