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Atari picture formats

Postby Nyh » Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:26 pm

Hi all,

I am working on an IrfanView, http://www.irfanview.com, plugin for Atari Picture formats. IrfanView is a very good free picture viewer for PC. It already supports a lot of formats (among them .IFF and .IMG), has good picture conversion functions (resize, decrease color dept) and has a great batch conversion mode.

Up till now I am planning to support the following formats:
Degas: PI1, PI2, PI3, PC1, PC2, PC3 (ready)
NeoChrome: NEO (ready)
STAD: PAC (ready)
Doodle: DOO (ready)
Tiny: TNY, TN1, TN2, TN3 (to be done)
Spectrum: SPU, SPC, SPS (to be done)
Art Director: ART (to be done)

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Spectrum: SPX (format description, sample files?)

Are there other formats that should be included?

I don't know much about Falcon picture formats. Does one use the standard PC formats on the Falcon or are there special formats not supported yet by IrfanView that should be supported? If so please a pointer to the format description and some sample files.

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Postby Mug UK » Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:32 pm

Think I got some SPX source code somewhere that'll have the file format description. Will try and dig it out.
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Postby Zorro 2 » Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:08 pm

Oh oh ! You don't know Wiki website ?

Maybe you can grabb some infos here...
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Postby Mug UK » Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:50 pm

Oops .. oh yeah :oops:

http://www.atari-forum.com/wiki/index.php/ST_Picture_Formats

Doesn't cover SPX format by Electronic Images though.
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Postby Nyh » Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:06 pm

Zorro 2 wrote:Oh oh ! You don't know Wiki website ?

Maybe you can grabb some infos here...

Have a look at the Wiki and see I corrected some info's there. It looks like some additional corrections have to be done... The Tiny format int not correct (with the Tiny version I have).

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Need Tiny picture files

Postby Nyh » Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:11 pm

Hi,

I am having trouble with the Tiny format (.TNY, .TN1, .TN2, .TN3). The docu says there are multiple implementations. Can I have Tiny pictures from multiple sources please?

Note: I can generate Tiny pictures myself but they are not coded like the documentation by David Baggett (or at the WIKI page) says.

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Postby Mug UK » Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:21 pm

Have you got any of the Floppyshop PD library ISO files? One of them was full of clipart in multitudes of formats including .TNY.
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Postby Nyh » Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:40 pm

muguk wrote:Have you got any of the Floppyshop PD library ISO files? One of them was full of clipart in multitudes of formats including .TNY.

No, and Google can't find me a copy.

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Postby Nyh » Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:22 pm

muguk wrote:Have you got any of the Floppyshop PD library ISO files? One of them was full of clipart in multitudes of formats including .TNY.

You did give me a good idea however. My demo collection contained multiple slideshows with Tiny pictures. Up till now not a single picture that is conform the specification in the Wiki.

At the same time robbed the collection from its spectrum pictures. No SPX in my collection, only a viewer.

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Postby bodkinz » Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:35 am

Here is a a small donation to your SPX collection... 3 hotbabe pics in spx format...

If you do a search for "spx" on the forum you may find a few more possibilities..

Hope that helps...

:cheers:

edit :: **helps if i add the image**
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Postby Mug UK » Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:23 am

There was a load in area 29 on the Toxic BBS according to their files listing but that wold be one folder that's not on the website version of the BBS :(

Will dig that source code (assembler plus examples to display them in GFA) and upload it here when I get in from work.
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Postby Zorro 2 » Thu Nov 23, 2006 9:41 am

Nyh wrote:
Zorro 2 wrote:Oh oh ! You don't know Wiki website ?

Maybe you can grabb some infos here...

Have a look at the Wiki and see I corrected some info's there. It looks like some additional corrections have to be done... The Tiny format int not correct (with the Tiny version I have).

Hans Wessels

The infos in this document are "originals". Corrected this is a good point, thanks to participate on the wiki board :D (I'm waiting for you to organise the C tutorials...)
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Postby Nyh » Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:01 am

bodkinz wrote:Here is a a small donation to your SPX collection... 3 hotbabe pics in spx format...

If you do a search for "spx" on the forum you may find a few more possibilities..

Hope that helps...

Thank you for the SPX files. Thank you for the forum hint. No direct links but links to people. :-)

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Postby Nyh » Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:16 am

Zorro 2 wrote:
Nyh wrote:Have a look at the Wiki and see I corrected some info's there. It looks like some additional corrections have to be done... The Tiny format int not correct (with the Tiny version I have).

The infos in this document are "originals". Corrected this is a good point, thanks to participate on the wiki board :D (I'm waiting for you to organise the C tutorials...)

I am pretty sure by now the infos are not correct. I have tested 163 files found on different PD picture disks and they all decompress correctly with the adapted decoder. I have changed the Wiki entry.

Current state of the project:
Degas: PI1, PI2, PI3, PC1, PC2, PC3 (ready)
NeoChrome: NEO (ready)
STAD: PAC (ready)
Doodle: DOO (ready)
Tiny: TNY, TN1, TN2, TN3 (ready)
Spectrum: SPU (ready)
Spectrum: SPC, SPS, SPX (to be done)
Art Director: ART (to be done)

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Postby Mug UK » Thu Nov 23, 2006 6:32 pm

SPX display source code plus an attempt at getting it to work in GFA by myself (probably based on some original GFA code by Electronic Images).

Hope this is of use to you.
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Postby Nyh » Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:29 pm

muguk wrote:SPX display source code plus an attempt at getting it to work in GFA by myself (probably based on some original GFA code by Electronic Images).

Hope this is of use to you.

Thank you for the source. It is very useful. It will take some time to digest it all. It seems there are multiple slight incompatible versions of the format. Still looking for more .SPX examples.

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Atari ST picturefile -> .BMP conversion tool

Postby Nyh » Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:32 pm

I released in the http://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10006 thread a zipfile including a tool for converting the following formats into a .BMP file:
Degas: PI1, PI2, PI3, PC1, PC2, PC3
NeoChrome: NEO
STAD: PAC
Doodle: DOO
Tiny: TNY, TN1, TN2, TN3
Spectrum: SPU, SPC, SPS

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Postby Mug UK » Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:01 pm

Nice work Nyh! I'll definitely be a user of that plugin when it's released. Fantastic little add-on for Irfanview.

I take it the plugin will allow me to bulk convert a folder of Atari files into BMP and then I can add the "convert the BMP to PNG" afterwards in the same batch routine? At least I think I can do multiple actions on a single file in Irfanview - can't remember.
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Postby Nyh » Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:24 pm

muguk wrote:Nice work Nyh! I'll definitely be a user of that plugin when it's released. Fantastic little add-on for Irfanview.

I take it the plugin will allow me to bulk convert a folder of Atari files into BMP and then I can add the "convert the BMP to PNG" afterwards in the same batch routine? At least I think I can do multiple actions on a single file in Irfanview - can't remember.

No, the Atari TTP can already do the bulk to BMP conversion. The .BMP format is used internally in IrfanView to get the picture from the plug-in to IrfanView. I assume IrfanView still can do the batch convert to any supported output format you like in one run. Noto MENU.PI1 and MENU.PI3 are converted to the same file.

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Postby Mug UK » Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:42 pm

Would it not be better to include the file-extension inside the filename then?

That way MENU.PI1 and MENU.PI3 would become MENU-PI1.BMP and MENU-PI3.BMP?
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Postby Nyh » Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:12 pm

muguk wrote:Would it not be better to include the file-extension inside the filename then?

That way MENU.PI1 and MENU.PI3 would become MENU-PI1.BMP and MENU-PI3.BMP?

Is a good idea but... TOS has a 8.3 name scheme and I am not the coder of IrfanView. Under Linux you can easily compile the tool so the .bmp extension is added to the filenaam.

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Re: Atari picture formats

Postby AtariFan » Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:13 pm

Nyh wrote:I am working on an IrfanView, http://www.irfanview.com, plugin for Atari Picture formats. IrfanView is a very good free picture viewer for PC. It already supports a lot of formats (among them .IFF and .IMG), has good picture conversion functions (resize, decrease color dept) and has a great batch conversion mode.


Hi,

have you tried XnView http://www.xnview.de/ for this purpose? It already supports alot of Atari picture formats.

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Re: Atari picture formats

Postby Zorro 2 » Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:44 pm

AtariFan wrote:Hi,

have you tried XnView http://www.xnview.de/ for this purpose? It already supports alot of Atari picture formats.

Gerry

The last version doesn't display anymore PI1 format...
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Re: Atari picture formats

Postby unseenmenace » Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:10 pm

Zorro 2 wrote:The last version doesn't display anymore PI1 format...

The version I have didn't recognise PI1 pictures automatically but once I told Windows to use XNView to open PI1's it worked fine.
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Re: Atari picture formats

Postby Nyh » Mon Dec 11, 2006 3:00 pm

AtariFan wrote:
Nyh wrote:I am working on an IrfanView, http://www.irfanview.com, plugin for Atari Picture formats.

have you tried XnView http://www.xnview.de/ for this purpose? It already supports alot of Atari picture formats.

Do you think XnView will work as a plug in for IrfanView? Or are you suggesting writing such a plug-in and releasing the code is a waste of time?

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