Orion_ wrote: so what ? the vampire is currently faster and can do more than the firebee.
It does, as said above, not make sense to compare different thing. In fact the Vampire is more or less similar hardware to FireBees FPGA part. So what you mean is that the Apollo core is more compatible than the FireBees core. But as far as I know we are still talking about the plans of full 68k compatibility at Apollo, plus the fact that it is Closed Source. So again, this is you expectation of what the Apollo could become for Ataris, not what it is. As JoEven said above, many people will as well be dissapointed, some day in future …
Orion_ wrote:half of the plugs on the firebee can't be used,
Thats crap, and you know that. Every plug can be imediatly used, it is open source, and you can use it right away. Some buses are not configured inside the FPGA, thats fact. But that is the same with every Atari project! As long as developers do not develop. I have a quite good overview about the demanded configurations, and there are 6 people waiting for SCSI, and noone really for ACSI.
How shall I solve this problems? What shall we do, except what we always did to invite FPGA developers?
Orion_ wrote:the video is ridiculously slow,
Aha, show me some faster TOS machines at WQHD. Also I cannot imagine that a Radeon at the FireBee is slower than at the CTx
Don't get me wrong, I know what you mean, and for sure there is some headroom for improvements, but it is not fair. Every project in the marginalized computer fields has to struggle. So will Apollo, before it is a real benefit, and not a "dream" like it is today.
Orion_ wrote:the vga compatibility is crap,
Well, … see above it is always the same direction of arguing.
Orion_ wrote:so until someone take this project to the next level,
And that is the point! Who shall do this? Do you really hope Apollo team will or can present you a complete well working TOS machine replacement, running all Atari software perfectly? Let's talk againin a few years. They will face the same problems like every project. The Suska for example is still more compatible than any "FPGA clone", and quite fast, and still has some headroom for improvments, even if Wolfgang is doing greatest work for a lot more than 10 years!
Every project needs all the possible support. Every pice of compatibility has to be coded by someone, and that is "us"! It will not happen magically from a hidden developer team that is popping up suddenly, we few thousand people know each other mainly.
Orion_ wrote:it's really not worth it,
What would be a direction for a clone that would be "worth it"?
Orion_ wrote:despite what it could do
So, PCI isn't worth it, as long as Motherboard-Developers with PCI don't provide Graphiccard drivers? USB isn't worth it, as long as Motherboard-Developers with USB don't provide USB-Printer drivers, … ? Please stop mixing the hardware and the software!
Orion_ wrote:I ported 3 of my games on the firebee,
And how many are running at Apollos recently?
Orion_ wrote:and it's really not the dream atari machine I thought it would be
Thats obviously. I am sad that you are not satisfied, but such projects can never fulfil every expectations! It was the same with CTx, Milan, Supervidel, Suska, and several others in the past. And as said above, it is always the same cause. We have no compatible CPU for 25 years, so all tries are either compatibility, or speed or a reasonable mix of it with our really limited possibilities.
MegaST 4 with Sounddesigner II MegaBus hardware and 56001, Hades 040, MagiC Mac at Mac OS 9 and a FireBee.