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joska wrote:I have yet to find an Atari (or "Atari") that 1ST Word does not run on. The majority of GEM applications works everywhere.
vido wrote:joska wrote:I have yet to find an Atari (or "Atari") that 1ST Word does not run on. The majority of GEM applications works everywhere.
Yes, clean GEM applications should run everywhere. FireBee can be a problem even if it is clean and needs recompilation. But there are several GEM applications which dont run everywhere. As: SoftPC which I would really like to see it running on my Milan or FireBee, Photoline which doesnt run or is unusable on the FireBee, Callamus, ...
And I believe 1st1 also means applications which are copyrighted to be included in the distribution.
But generaly I agree with the idea to have applications included in distribution. Just I believe it should be only free software and for some applications dependand on the platform.
1st1 wrote:I see already, you need about another year to understand my idea. Same as with Vampire (soon this will be alive on ST board).
Ps: If you don't need that unix stuff, just don't open the bash...
BlankVector wrote:Last week, I made a presentation at foss-north 2018, in Gothenburg, Sweden.
OL wrote:Some years ago I have compiled "dosbox" it was working but keyboard was absolutely wrong and never try to do working, but dosbox is not difficult to compil with SDL as I remember.
1st1 wrote:I see already, you need about another year to understand my idea.
1st1 wrote:Ps: If you don't need that unix stuff, just don't open the bash...
vido wrote:Yes, clean GEM applications should run everywhere. FireBee can be a problem even if it is clean and needs recompilation. But there are several GEM applications which dont run everywhere. As: SoftPC which I would really like to see it running on my Milan or FireBee, Photoline which doesnt run or is unusable on the FireBee, Callamus, ...
joska wrote:Even MiNT itself suffers by this. It is no longer possible to compile MiNT on an Atari.
vido wrote:OL wrote:Some years ago I have compiled "dosbox" it was working but keyboard was absolutely wrong and never try to do working, but dosbox is not difficult to compil with SDL as I remember.
Dosbox would be great to have on the FireBee, Milan 060, Hades 060, Vamipre, ...
About the keyboard maybe it would be great to contact Partice abour SDL. Maybe there is a bug?
He is realy nice person ready to help and recently I contacted him about GFX bitdepth bug in SDl and he fixed it really fast.
I would also like to see Hatari version which was compiled by Vincent. It is not that bat on the FireBee. It could be usefull in some cases. But if I remeber right there is also problem with the keyboard. With some optimisations I guess it couls be usefull o the FireBee not to mention Aranym.
Ahhh ... and Mac Mini Color! I know someone using itMonochrome version is great on the FireBee
mikro wrote:While I agree with many points with you, I think you exaggerating here a lot. Of course it's still possible, even with the old gcc 2.95. The fact the snapshots are cross compiled is a convenience, not requirement.
joska wrote:That would have been great if it was correct, but at least here I'm not able to compile with 2.95
joska wrote:That would have been great if it was correct, but at least here I'm not able to compile with 2.95
OL wrote:I think I'm able to fix keyboard issue but it is really strange as other software I have compiled with SDL work nice
For Mac Mini color for me coldfire is not enough it work ok on Aranym JIT only, don't think on coldfire it is enough, perhaps with some adjustment on 68080 could work, video is so slow.
I'm too tired in this moment to do anything, I will look what I can do after hollyday if I'm better.
mikro wrote:Not sure whether you are so determined to prove everyone that older is better...
mikro wrote:So to make your "impossible" task possible, you have to upgrade binutils. I even give you a step by step tutorial for your EasyMiNT:
mikro wrote:- wget http://mikro.atari.org/files/gcc/m68020 ... nt.tar.bz2
mikro wrote:- cd /root/freemint
- make
1st1 wrote:joska, I understand your arguments about abandonware, they are more catholic than the pope. WIth your argumentation, no EasyAraMint, no Beeky, no Amitari with Atari-Works and DOOM +WAD file inside. They already contain all of these applications.
1st1 wrote:I don't want that someone to integrated HDDRIVER and NVIDI, but it just has to be explained to the one who wants to install that distribution that he has to get+install HDDRIVER, and additionally to the GEM/BGM partiions one EXT2 of at minimum X GB in size, and NVDI by himself before beginning with the distribution. That's the same procedure as for EasyMiNT, except that it does not tell how big the partition must be.
vido wrote:OL wrote:Some years ago I have compiled "dosbox" it was working but keyboard was absolutely wrong and never try to do working, but dosbox is not difficult to compil with SDL as I remember.
Dosbox would be great to have on the FireBee, Milan 060, Hades 060, Vamipre, ...
About the keyboard maybe it would be great to contact Partice abour SDL. Maybe there is a bug?
He is realy nice person ready to help and recently I contacted him about GFX bitdepth bug in SDl and he fixed it really fast.
I would also like to see Hatari version which was compiled by Vincent. It is not that bat on the FireBee. It could be usefull in some cases. But if I remeber right there is also problem with the keyboard. With some optimisations I guess it couls be usefull o the FireBee not to mention Aranym.
Ahhh ... and Mac Mini Color! I know someone using itMonochrome version is great on the FireBee
vido wrote:Dosbox would be great to have on the FireBee, Milan 060, Hades 060, Vamipre, ...
BlankVector wrote:I compiled it long ago, and I was even able to run a few very old MS-DOS games (I can't remember which ones... Maybe Pac-Man or something like that).
DOSBox for MiNT
BUT
- It is extremely slow, even on ARAnyM-JIT
- There is still the keyboard bug. Only a few keys work. I was too lazy to investigate that (in SDL?), but if someone has a look, I'm pretty sure it could be improved.
joska wrote:I have no experience with developing with SDL on Ataris, but my impression when I test SDL based software is that keyboard handling is iffy in all of them.
SDL reports keyboard events both when a key is pressed and when a key is released, but there is no clean way to detect a key *release* in TOS.
Ideally this should be done in MiNT by adding a proper API for this.
ThorstenOtto wrote:Not on the BIOS or GEMDOS level, but the keyboard controller (and that is what is usually emulated) behaves similar, it sends a scancode for both keypresses and releases.
ThorstenOtto wrote:IIRC dosbox does in turn use SDL, so that wouldn't help much.
joska wrote:But can you realistically use gcc >= 4 on a real Atari?
joska wrote:SDL reports keyboard events both when a key is pressed and when a key is released, but there is no clean way to detect a key *release* in TOS. I don't know how SDL solves this, but it seems to be room for improvement here.
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