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FlashFloppy vs HxC

Postby catmando » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:43 pm

Interested to know if anyone is using both of these on a gotek drive, and a comparison of their experiences so far.

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Re: FlashFloppy vs HxC

Postby Bikerbob » Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:41 pm

I am using the FF and not having any issues - after I figured out how to wire up my cable proper for external use. I am going to also be installing an A<>B switch so that I can use the FF Gotek to boot and then as B drive.

There were no hardware mods required on the gotek like some of the forums would tell you - the FF firmware has taken care of media detect and HD selection. FF also can use the HxC utilities and loaders if you wish. For hobby on the Atari I see no reason why FF cant do the job. HxC is only 10euro so thats reasonable as well for as much work as has been put into it.

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Re: FlashFloppy vs HxC

Postby tzok » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:20 pm

FF firmware doesn't support PASTI/STX nor 11 Sector disk images. I have contacted its author and forwarded any info (mainly DrCoolZic's PDF) I had about these two problem, so it should be corrected. As I looked at the code the main problem was with sector gaps.

I also have Gotek/FF as an external disk drive in my Atari STE, with my non-invasive (no track-cutting, no pin-bending) A:/B: swap switch.

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Re: FlashFloppy vs HxC

Postby catmando » Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:51 pm

tzok wrote:FF firmware doesn't support PASTI/STX nor 11 Sector disk images. I have contacted its author and forwarded any info (mainly DrCoolZic's PDF) I had about these two problem, so it should be corrected. As I looked at the code the main problem was with sector gaps.

I also have Gotek/FF as an external disk drive in my Atari STE, with my non-invasive (no track-cutting, no pin-bending) A:/B: swap switch.


What has happened to DrCoolZic? He doesn't seem to have been active in AF for quite some time.
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Re: FlashFloppy vs HxC

Postby Jeff_HxC2001 » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:14 am

tzok wrote:FF firmware doesn't support PASTI/STX nor 11 Sector disk images. I have contacted its author and forwarded any info (mainly DrCoolZic's PDF) I had about these two problem, so it should be corrected. As I looked at the code the main problem was with sector gaps.


Since this is a "VS" thread the HxC Firmware support 11 sectors per tracks images if you want to compare...
STX are supported with the HxC software and the HxC Floppy Emulator HFE(v3) file formats.
You should go for the original firmware ! :wink: :lol:

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Re: FlashFloppy vs HxC

Postby tzok » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:25 am

I'd get a long time ago HxC if I could only pay via PalPal or PayU, without filling this form in French. 12€ is quite reasonable price (it'd be a nice dinner in a restaurant for one person in my country). I'd also like to know if I can flash Gotek with HxC, then go back to FlashFloppy or any other firmware, and then use again my HxC license on the sane Gotek unit (or will I have to buy a new license)?

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Re: FlashFloppy vs HxC

Postby simonsunnyboy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:22 pm

Jeff_HxC2001 wrote:
tzok wrote:FF firmware doesn't support PASTI/STX nor 11 Sector disk images. I have contacted its author and forwarded any info (mainly DrCoolZic's PDF) I had about these two problem, so it should be corrected. As I looked at the code the main problem was with sector gaps.


Since this is a "VS" thread the HxC Firmware support 11 sectors per tracks images if you want to compare...
STX are supported with the HxC software and the HxC Floppy Emulator HFE(v3) file formats.
You should go for the original firmware ! :wink: :lol:


11 tracks..is this a generic limitation to .hfe files aswell? Or limited to direct .st images in case of the FlashFlopy firmware?
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Re: FlashFloppy vs HxC

Postby czietz » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:39 pm

simonsunnyboy wrote:11 tracks..is this a generic limitation to .hfe files aswell? Or limited to direct .st images in case of the FlashFlopy firmware?


First of all: 11 sectors per track. Note that Jeff did not write that 11 sectors was the limit. See my 18 sectors per track DD(sic!) HFE image on: https://www.chzsoft.de/site/hardware/us ... -atari-st/

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Re: FlashFloppy vs HxC

Postby simonsunnyboy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 4:47 pm

Yeah, "sectors per track", my typing finger shortened the words compared to what was in my mind ;)
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Re: FlashFloppy vs HxC

Postby tzok » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:08 pm

FF has apparently wrong sector gaps for 11 sectors/track ST images.

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Re: FlashFloppy vs HxC

Postby simonsunnyboy » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:25 pm

If HFE is fine, it is not much of a problem.
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Re: FlashFloppy vs HxC

Postby czietz » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:37 pm

simonsunnyboy wrote:If HFE is fine, it is not much of a problem.


HFE works fine for the HxC firmware. I don't know if FF can handle HFE files with 11 spt, though.

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Re: FlashFloppy vs HxC

Postby kodak80 » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:35 pm

czietz wrote:
simonsunnyboy wrote:If HFE is fine, it is not much of a problem.


HFE works fine for the HxC firmware. I don't know if FF can handle HFE files with 11 spt, though.


I just created an 11 sector (902kb) HFE disk image using the HxC Emulator software and my FlashFloppy Gotek works fine with this disk image. I copied a folder onto the disk and it saved it fine. I ran SYSINFO.PRG and TeraDesk from the floppy image and both ran fine.
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Re: FlashFloppy vs HxC

Postby Jeff_HxC2001 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:03 am

tzok wrote:I'd get a long time ago HxC if I could only pay via PalPal or PayU, without filling this form in French. 12€ is quite reasonable price (it'd be a nice dinner in a restaurant for one person in my country). I'd also like to know if I can flash Gotek with HxC, then go back to FlashFloppy or any other firmware, and then use again my HxC license on the sane Gotek unit (or will I have to buy a new license)?


Back in 2015 & 2016 the payment was done exclusively via paypal without any form, just a simple email request (and the price was 10€ ;) ). And the current form let you to choose the paypal payment method.

Once you have the HxC bootloader, you can of course use the HxC UPD firmwares files or the Cortex or Flashfloppy UPD firmware files available into the HxC firmwares archive (folder "other"). All is done with a simple usb stick.
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Re: FlashFloppy vs HxC

Postby Jeff_HxC2001 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:07 am

czietz wrote:
simonsunnyboy wrote:11 tracks..is this a generic limitation to .hfe files aswell? Or limited to direct .st images in case of the FlashFlopy firmware?


First of all: 11 sectors per track. Note that Jeff did not write that 11 sectors was the limit. See my 18 sectors per track DD(sic!) HFE image on: https://www.chzsoft.de/site/hardware/us ... -atari-st/


Yes. an alien format with 27 sectors per track is available into the HxC software. :lol:

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Re: FlashFloppy vs HxC

Postby Jeff_HxC2001 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:15 am

kodak80 wrote:
czietz wrote:
simonsunnyboy wrote:If HFE is fine, it is not much of a problem.


HFE works fine for the HxC firmware. I don't know if FF can handle HFE files with 11 spt, though.


I just created an 11 sector (902kb) HFE disk image using the HxC Emulator software and my FlashFloppy Gotek works fine with this disk image. I copied a folder onto the disk and it saved it fine. I ran SYSINFO.PRG and TeraDesk from the floppy image and both ran fine.


Yes, all of this only works thanks to the HxC Floppy Emulator HFE file format. The firmware is just pushing the data without even "understanding them"...


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