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Floppy cable selection

Postby simonsunnyboy » Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:54 am

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I finally bought the SDCard HxC Floppy emulator and I'm happy with the device itself. Works well! :cheers:

I put it into my STE and noticed that the default floppy cable used (atleast in my STE) is way too short to mount the HxC properly. What kind of floppy cable can I use as a substitute? Will standard PC cables work? I suppose I have to rejumper the HxC if I do?

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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby StickHead » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:13 pm

simonsunnyboy wrote:Hi all,

I finally bought the SDCard HxC Floppy emulator and I'm happy with the device itself. Works well! :cheers:

I put it into my STE and noticed that the default floppy cable used (atleast in my STE) is way too short to mount the HxC properly. What kind of floppy cable can I use as a substitute? Will standard PC cables work? I suppose I have to rejumper the HxC if I do?

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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby wongck » Sun Aug 19, 2012 2:27 pm

:lol: Topless here, and there's talk of push up cups in another thread :mrgreen:

I guess the floppy cable is soldered onto the motherboard, so you cannot change it.
You can only extend it.

Well you can do this to your HxC. BTW, he mentions about those floppy extension in that post as well :wink:
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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby simonsunnyboy » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:36 pm

The floppy cable is not soldered as far as I can tell. It is just plain short and at least one wire seems intentionally cut on mine...
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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby StickHead » Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:14 pm

So something like this wouldn't work?
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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby simonsunnyboy » Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:50 pm

StickHead wrote:So something like this wouldn't work?


It could work but why go for an expensive extension lead if you could use a leftover cable from an old PC. My inquiry here is only to make sure that this is allowed and possible. The HxC is afterall quite configurable with its jumpers.
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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby Jeff_HxC2001 » Sun Aug 19, 2012 7:41 pm

This is simple :

The pc cable is flat: no change at all.
The pc cable is twisted: jumper change needed.

have a look to the documentation for more details.

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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby Shredder11 » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:23 pm

wongck wrote::lol: Topless here, and there's talk of push up cups in another thread :mrgreen:



...and then you stick your floppy in! :mrgreen: :lol:

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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby DarkLord » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:30 pm

Shredder11 wrote:
wongck wrote::lol: Topless here, and there's talk of push up cups in another thread :mrgreen:



...and then you stick your floppy in! :mrgreen: :lol:


You guys....next you'll be talking about "ejecting".... :roll: :lol:
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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby StickHead » Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:49 pm

simonsunnyboy wrote:
StickHead wrote:So something like this wouldn't work?


It could work but why go for an expensive extension lead if you could use a leftover cable from an old PC. My inquiry here is only to make sure that this is allowed and possible. The HxC is afterall quite configurable with its jumpers.


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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby wongck » Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:11 am

Shredder11 wrote:
wongck wrote::lol: Topless here, and there's talk of push up cups in another thread :mrgreen:

...and then you stick your floppy in! :mrgreen: :lol:


Nope... Mine an SD.... Superr Di^^ :twisted:

no floppies any more as I use a SD version of HxC.

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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby wongck » Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:13 am

simonsunnyboy wrote:The floppy cable is not soldered as far as I can tell. It is just plain short and at least one wire seems intentionally cut on mine...

:oops: sorry... may be mixing up my Falcons and STFM, have not opened them up for sometime now.
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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby Shredder11 » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:26 am

DarkLord wrote:
Shredder11 wrote:
wongck wrote::lol: Topless here, and there's talk of push up cups in another thread :mrgreen:



...and then you stick your floppy in! :mrgreen: :lol:


You guys....next you'll be talking about "ejecting".... :roll: :lol:


NooOO! The correct terminology is ejeculation! :roll: :lol:

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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby simonsunnyboy » Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:41 pm

I now got a PC floppy cable and on one end, one of the pins is filled with plastics. That plug won't fit on my STE end nor the HxC as of yet.
I certainly won't clip pins away on the STE end.

How do I connect that one properly? Or do i have to throw the plug away and clip a fresh one onto the cable?

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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby wongck » Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:19 pm

Is that one of the Shugart interface cables with a key at pin#3 ?
You probably need a IBM standard cable instead, if on you ST there is no key.
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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby simonsunnyboy » Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:41 am

The question is still open. What can I do or use as a substitute?
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Postby Jeff_HxC2001 » Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:07 pm

simonsunnyboy wrote:The question is still open. What can I do or use as a substitute?


Remove the plastic.

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Postby simonsunnyboy » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:56 pm

How to remove it? If I start cutting away with a sharp knife I might cut the other needed pins which I don't want to.
So the solution would be to remove the plug and fit a new one?
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Postby Jeff_HxC2001 » Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:51 pm

simonsunnyboy wrote:How to remove it? If I start cutting away with a sharp knife I might cut the other needed pins which I don't want to.
So the solution would be to remove the plug and fit a new one?


Just drill a small hole into the plastic.

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Postby wongck » Sun Aug 26, 2012 11:03 pm

So pin#3 in the cable is not used ?
Then remove either the plastic or metal.
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Postby Jeff_HxC2001 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 12:51 pm

wongck wrote:So pin#3 in the cable is not used ?

Yes.

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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby simonsunnyboy » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:29 pm

Jeff_HxC2001 wrote:
simonsunnyboy wrote:How to remove it? If I start cutting away with a sharp knife I might cut the other needed pins which I don't want to.
So the solution would be to remove the plug and fit a new one?


Just drill a small hole into the plastic.


Thanks, I'll try that when I find a suitable drill. Mine from the tool case are way too big for the time being.
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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby simonsunnyboy » Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:03 pm

Sorry to be annoying, I now have a nicely drilled hole and it seems to fit on the HxC end.

Now I want to replace the cable inside the STE and I seem unable to pull the floppy cable off the STE mainboard. Is it meant to be replaced or is it glued/fixed/soldered by default? Or is mine just "stuck" and it should be replaceable?
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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby DarkLord » Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:34 pm

If I remember correctly from my ST's, the connection has a small plastic snap-on cover (that
breaks easily if you're not careful) that comes off first. The old cable just pulls off. Then, after
assuring that the new cable is lined up correctly (matching pins) the new cable itself is simply
pushed down on the "teeth" like connector. Then snap the cover piece back on.

This is all if I remember correctly....

Some models have actual headers (my STacy does). Makes life much easier. :)

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Re: Floppy cable selection

Postby simonsunnyboy » Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:16 pm

I have been told something similar at atari-home. So it is either desoldering that crap piece or hoping that a replacement of the cable itself is possible by clipping it in? I won't dare to try either :(

Another case where Atari saved the money on the wrong end....
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