A good & working net browser?

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A good & working net browser?

Postby mzry » Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:22 am

Hi all,

Highwire is working perfectly on my system (Latest Vanillamint 1.19) but I cannot get Netsurf to run reliably, it keeps crashing with get_wind AES call errors. I've tried both MyAES and XaAes without any luck. Highwire is too old and incompatible with modern website standards, does anyone have a good build of Netsurf maybe especially compiled for 060 I could have? I've even tried the nightly builds, they don't even open.

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Re: A good & working net browser?

Postby jury » Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:27 am

If I remember correctly, netsurt needs 16-bit color mode so do you have Radeon, Super Videl or so?

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Re: A good & working net browser?

Postby mzry » Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:28 am

No just videl, standard 256 colour 800x600.

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Re: A good & working net browser?

Postby trecool » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:45 pm

Highwire is working great but is outdated and really not much you can do with.
Netsurf is a good and working browser for those who have a SV or other video adapter.
Otherwise you can run it on text only mode, disabling images (and transparency) on choices file, and it will stop crashing on 256/16 color mode. Read readme file for more.

There were some 256 color experimental builds. The rendering was reported slow.

It would be nice if someone who has a build environment share a 256 color build. I can provide the settings variables (thanks Ole:)

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Re: A good & working net browser?

Postby OL » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:40 pm

mzry wrote:Hi all,

Highwire is working perfectly on my system (Latest Vanillamint 1.19) but I cannot get Netsurf to run reliably, it keeps crashing with get_wind AES call errors. I've tried both MyAES and XaAes without any luck. Highwire is too old and incompatible with modern website standards, does anyone have a good build of Netsurf maybe especially compiled for 060 I could have? I've even tried the nightly builds, they don't even open.

Thx


Recent version looks not work anymore, nobody to support Netsurf evolution for AES interface

You can try this version : http://gem.lutece.net/download/netsurf.zip

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Re: A good & working net browser?

Postby Rustynutt » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:40 pm

Remember when CAB was released, back then the internet was very compatible :)

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Re: A good & working net browser?

Postby trecool » Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:43 am

I have tried Links and it's not bad.
16/256 color Netsurf would be nice to have

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Re: A good & working net browser?

Postby mzry » Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:32 am

I wish there was a good coder out there that could make a 16/256 colour netsurf happen. It would breath new life into our old machines.

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Re: A good & working net browser?

Postby jfl » Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:56 am

mzry wrote:I wish there was a good coder out there that could make a 16/256 colour netsurf happen. It would breath new life into our old machines.

By making them insufferably slow?

Don't get me wrong. I like Netsurf and it is probably fast compared to other current browsers but on my Firebee it is so slow I barely ever use it. I dread to see how slow it would be on anything lesser.

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Re: A good & working net browser?

Postby christos » Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:50 am

jfl wrote:
mzry wrote:I wish there was a good coder out there that could make a 16/256 colour netsurf happen. It would breath new life into our old machines.

By making them insufferably slow?

Don't get me wrong. I like Netsurf and it is probably fast compared to other current browsers but on my Firebee it is so slow I barely ever use it. I dread to see how slow it would be on anything lesser.

Atari machines or clones are simply not cut out for today's web.


No kidding! Just checking to see how much cpu and ram visiting a website consumes on a modern pc, you will be surprised. I think a good idea would be to improve on highwire in a few stuff.

Add ssl so as to be able to visit more websites
Hard code support for some bootstrap classes so that you can load the responsive views of websites and not to have to scroll left or right.
Stability fixes

I think that even if you don't get the page you are supposed to, you can get a useful experience with just a few improvements.
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Re: A good & working net browser?

Postby mzry » Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:54 am

Yeah well that sounds good. A browser that filters out crap it doesn't want. Display the information, bam.

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Re: A good & working net browser?

Postby Rustynutt » Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:30 pm

What about something like Links?
http://www.jikos.cz/~mikulas/links/

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Re: A good & working net browser?

Postby joska » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:12 pm

jfl wrote:Atari machines or clones are simply not cut out for today's web.


Indeed. Not only is the hardware too slow, but the OS lacks several essential features.
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Re: A good & working net browser?

Postby frank.lukas » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:33 pm

The best you can get is a firebee with netsurf, but it is useless ...
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Re: A good & working net browser?

Postby fidzen » Sat Jun 24, 2017 7:46 pm

I use Netsurf on a Falcon with CT60e and Supervidel and I can't say that it's
useless. Of course it's not like my Macbook Pro, but it's very possible to surf
the net. It's all about to adapt to the system you use. I can easily wait for
30s to load a site on my Falcon, but on my Macbook I would go crazy with
that load time.
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Re: A good & working net browser?

Postby wongck » Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:51 am

Rustynutt wrote:What about something like Links?
http://www.jikos.cz/~mikulas/links/


You can find Links for atari here.
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Re: A good & working net browser?

Postby Rustynutt » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:11 am

Thanks Wongck.
Didn't even look for a MiNT port :)
I see SSL/HTTP support.
Shouldn't that get you into (sorry) hotmail and PayPal?

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Re: A good & working net browser?

Postby trecool » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:30 am

trecool wrote:I have tried Links and it's not bad.

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Re: A good & working net browser?

Postby simonsunnyboy » Sun Jun 25, 2017 7:37 am

I could imagine a simple rule set:
- force loading of mobile site versions
- do not render CSS, only decode it, use hardcoded Atari optimized CSS (atleast provide an option like this)
- incomplete Javascript implementation, only the features that are really necessary (an Atari must not be able to run a complete emulator inside a Javascript window)
- make image rendering b/w or greyscale by default

This will allow proper functional web browsing on the Atari as it was intended in the early 90s with support for the modern features.

Think of the Atari as an early smartphone regarding possibilities and capabilities of web access.
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