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Where are Steem authors?

Postby Steven Seagal » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:08 am

I uploaded, as requested, a version 3.3 of Steem on the svn repository, on FEB 2012. For that I had to learn a bit about svn and install a client...
It looks like Steem authors have disappeared in the lower border...
Are they - too - ST GEM green-jealous of the Great Steven Seagal????? Come on guys, tell me it's not true!
I wonder if I still must use this repository.
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Re: Where are Steem authors?

Postby alexh » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:36 pm

Steven Seagal wrote:I uploaded, as requested, a version 3.3 of Steem on the svn repository, on FEB 2012. For that I had to learn a bit about svn and install a client...

I can see a branch labelled Seagal? Is that release-3.3

Steven Seagal wrote:It looks like Steem authors have disappeared in the lower border...

They are probably busy? I didn't imagine them to continue development did you? I thought it was very good of them to release the code in the first place.

Steven Seagal wrote:I wonder if I still must use this repository.

Why not? Surely this one is as good as any other? Although I did wonder why there were no releases (binaries). Do you need project rights to do such submissions?

Legally the code is GPL and so AFAIK you could use any repository you like as long as the modifications to the original source code are released at the same time as any released binaries.

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Re: Where are Steem authors?

Postby megar » Tue Jul 24, 2012 1:12 pm

I did not know it is possible to create new branch. I Believed that this repository was write only.

That's why (I and other) forked this project on github:
see all forks:
https://github.com/btuduri/Steem-Engine/network/members

It seems that you (Steven) is very motivated, maybe you should create you own fork. Or maybe you already have write access to the official google code, in this case you can continue pushing your changes there. By the way, your last change is dated from February. Didn't you did modify your code from this date ?

This project is seriously in need of a coordinator, it is so sad. Maybe you (if you are still very motivated) can create your own fork and accept / deal with pull ins ?

The last changes seems from https://github.com/btuduri/Steem-Engine (btuduri forked the svn source, and made some change one year ago). I submitted my patch about the extended resolutions bug. I am waiting for his answer. I hope he will answer. Or maybe I should have sent a message to you steven, with the changes ? Github is great for this kind of things (proposing change that can be accepted (or not) by the parent owner of the project, acting like a coordinator).

For the moment, Steem really seem stalled.

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Re: Where are Steem authors?

Postby Steven Seagal » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:24 pm

I can submit code in the google svn repository, this includes creating branches, but I can't accept changes or anything. I thought it was more respectful to upload code there but since then nothing happened (6 months). It's up to Steem authors, they're supposed to be coordinators. I only hope they don't resent improvements on their program, that would be silly (especially as I admire very much the code), but I've already seen childish reactions in ST people, so I exclude nothing! Or they just didn't realise it could be a heavy work too, reviewing code. Especially as v3.3 mixed Hatari code in, I admit it's hard to grasp, the key is not to try!

If they went south, maybe we should create another repository. I made a lot of changes since v3.3, notably removing Hatari code; it would be about time to release a v3.4.

I don't mind cooperating, merging mods etc., especially in domains I neglect like extended resolutions, Midi, etc., but you must be aware that I enclose all changes in #if defined(STEVEN_SEAGAL) directives, I find it so funny.

I get the feeling many are not even aware that Steem development is still going on. I post "brags" on my ST site, maybe I should post them here too like I did in the beginning, at least to transmit my enthusiasm. I'll open a thread for Steem SSE 3.4 and fill it with nice screenshots, if mods don't mind.
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Re: Where are Steem authors?

Postby Steven Seagal » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:14 pm

Right. The best course for now seems to have a branch of Steem called "Steem SSE".
I opened an account at sourceforge for the source. This is rather daunting. I plan to use subversion since that's what I already have. I'll need some time to set this up.
That way I'm master of the code (unlike on google code), I'll be less reluctant to upload all the junk I want, not just the debugged versions, and new releases are liable to come quicklier.
If anybody will contribute code or doc, they're welcome (once it's set up). The project is Steem SSE aka steemsse, but it's empty right now. If you're not comfortable with versioning software, I can understand that, neither am I, just post your suggestions.
Nothing is definitive, Steem authors are the real owners of the project, of course. Just trying to get it moving.
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Re: Where are Steem authors?

Postby megar » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:39 pm

Thank steven.
This is a good suggestion, and will really be a step forward for steem.
Anyway, I strongly, strongly suggest you not to use Subversion. It is plain old, incredibly slow* and unflexible. Please evaluate going to Git / Mercurial.

Mercurial is probably way simpler that git, so migrating from svn is definitely easier. There is a great tutorial for mercurial there: www.hginit.com
I'm sure it will convince you. Please take a few minutes to read it. That's the one who convinced me to trash away Subversion.

For hosting. Sourceforge can (I think) host mercurial project. Some other/better is bitbucket.org. Sourceforge is rather limited in features, it suffers from subversion legacy.
You can browse the Atari ST manager for HxC Floppy Emulator here : https://bitbucket.org/gbouthenot/my_hxc_manager/ I just uploaded it.

To illustrate "incredible slow":
I just did a merge in a sourceforge subversion : http://hxcfloppyemu.svn.sourceforge.net ... vision=554
The merge took about 10 minutes to process (hopefully without merge conflit, subversion is really a mess when it comes to merging). And another 3 minutes to commit.
It would have take seconds in Git/Mercurial to merge and commit, and up to one minute to push to the remote server.

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Re: Where are Steem authors?

Postby Steven Seagal » Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:12 pm

I'll have a look, but I was under the impression that Sourceforge and Subversion were fine. This adds to confusion.
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Re: Where are Steem authors?

Postby Steven Seagal » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:37 pm

So I had a look. It's very interesting. I'm not a SVN fanboy, I barely can use it reading the help, and I haven't tried the others. But until I hit some real problem, I will stick with it because:
- That's what I have (command-line only), and I could need it again to interact with Steem repository at google code, and the sourceforge account is set up with it
- I don't want a variety of VCS on my little computer
- There are pros & cons to SVN, Mercurial & Git, it's not like SVN was totally inept and the others great and bug-free
- And mainly, because this yeti really uselessly insulted SVN authors, I want to support them.
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Re: Where are Steem authors?

Postby megar » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:00 pm

Subversion is a very solid product, very widely supported. You won't encounter any bugs or limitations. It is just aging. You made your decision, knowing that there are alternatives. Other VCS offers things you won't miss, because you just won't know they exist.
The most difficult thing to do is to choice your tool, and you already made it, so that's good. Now go and publish the Steam SSE sources !

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Re: Where are Steem authors?

Postby simonsunnyboy » Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:55 pm

If you are working with SVN under Windows, try installing TortoiseSVN. This is a great plugin into the Windows Explorer to handle SVN repositories from the context menu. We use it at work and it is quite usable + you don't need the command line anymore.

http://tortoisesvn.net/
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Re: Where are Steem authors?

Postby Steven Seagal » Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:58 pm

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Steem SSE: http://sourceforge.net/projects/steemsse

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Re: Where are Steem authors?

Postby megar » Mon Sep 10, 2012 10:18 pm

Yeah. Subversion is still the most used VCS.
But is it also quickly decreasing. Also the poll asked for the Version Control SystemS (note the 's') that they use.
Almost every coder I know still has to use Subversion, for legacy, or historical purpose. The poll does not represent the "prefered" VCS.

That doesn't change the fact that you made your choice, and that's good !

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