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Re: FireBee revival

Postby Mathias » Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:23 am

Everybody is still on the list warp12! No fear, we are progressing slowly with shipping but we are progressing. The only people who are not on the list, are the ones who ordered the last few months, but they got immediate informations that they are at a "waiting list" now, and all of the communicated with me and are 100% informed. Everybody who ordered tha last 2 years will get a board.

alienkidmj12, about your input device problem, you do not need an eiffel! You can use most of the USB keyboards (as long as they have no USB hub built in). For example I am using the Cherry MX-board 3.0 which is absolutely great at the FireBee (but not quite cheap). So I suggest that you get any well working keyboard and mouse for using FireTOS.
If you like to use EmuTOS, you need some original Atari keyboard and mouse (select EmuTOS by DIP switches). Or use the not recommended USB-Stack of FireTOS over EmuTOS as there is no USB stack in EmuTOS (Select EmuTOS by FireTOS boot menue). But do not forget that the official FreeMiNT Setup is for FireTOS only, so you have to remove the CF-Card if you like to use EmuTOS. Also have a look at the support article, to understand the situation: http://firebee.org/fb-bin/page?label=fb ... use&lng=EN
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Re: FireBee revival

Postby PeterS » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:19 am

Do you think nxp will ever build a faster Coldfire cpu ?

A 500MHz or 1GHz version shouldn't be too difficult these days.

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Re: FireBee revival

Postby czietz » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:48 am

Assuming the planned acquisition of NXP by Qualcomm goes through -- this is not yet decided --, I fear there won't be new developments in the ColdFire product range anymore. Existing CPUs will of course be supported until end-of-life, because there are big customers with contracts. So this is no (immediate) problem for further FireBee production runs.

However, I foresee that also in the future Qualcomm will be an ARM-only company, with no interest in legacy architectures.

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Re: FireBee revival

Postby wongck » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:56 am

czietz wrote:However, I foresee that also in the future Qualcomm will be an ARM-only company, with no interest in legacy architectures.

Yes, I also agree that they will be focusing on ARM.
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Re: FireBee revival

Postby vido » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:29 pm

czietz wrote:Assuming the planned acquisition of NXP by Qualcomm goes through -- this is not yet decided --, I fear there won't be new developments in the ColdFire product range anymore. Existing CPUs will of course be supported until end-of-life, because there are big customers with contracts. So this is no (immediate) problem for further FireBee production runs.

However, I foresee that also in the future Qualcomm will be an ARM-only company, with no interest in legacy architectures.

The licence to produce or use ColdFire can be bought from IPextreme. You can produce Asic or use it in FPGA. They dont sell V5e licence altouht V5e was produced or used by HP in their printers. This is quote of part of their answer about my quesrion of ColdFire licences:

Regarding pricing, the normal ASIC pricing is in the $250-300K range (list price) for a single use license. But every IP license is a bit different and we can arrive at various other models that are tuned to the customer’s application and business to arrive at something that works for everyone. Some questions, we normally need to understand are:

1. Application (how is the V4 going to be used)?
2. Project start?
3. Production start?
4. Product life span and estimate of annual volumes?
5. FPGA or ASIC?
6. One project or multiple?

But I didnt continue mailing on the subject if they would support FireBee project. Still their comment about the FireBee:
P.S. I had a look at your web site— very cool!

Maybe it would be possible to establish some kind of colaboration or support in finding the solution to get faster ColdFire CPU-s.

Qualcom or NPX wont develop ColdFire further. But as you can see if you pay, you can produce ColdFire by yourself :)

http://ip-extreme.com

BTW. I just checked the page and I see IPextreme is now part of SILVACO. But it seems ColdFire is part of their portfolio.

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Re: FireBee revival

Postby oehansen » Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:06 pm

mpattonm wrote:There is a good reason why HW/SW design decitions should be made by engineers, not musicians.


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The problem of the last decades, and the reason why most of the world has LEFT the entire software scene, is because of ENGINEERS.

Basically, engineers are morons who couldn't invent toilet paper to wipe their butt even if their life depended on it. They aren't people who invent anything, they went to school to learn to copy other people's work ... they're workers, not thinkers. It's because of people like him, and frank that this project and this platform is still alive.

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Re: FireBee revival

Postby PeterS » Fri Dec 01, 2017 2:08 pm

vido wrote:
christos wrote:Well David Galvez had the right idea. Make GEM wrappers for open source applications. A python port would help as well. Add an applications category in demo parties or something silly like that. However most things are integration with cloud or web nowadays. Also we need a software repo and a software center.

I had a similar idea about GEM wrappers for unix open source applications. Python port would be nice, but I dont see much benefit from that.
Porting sone SDL applications/games would be great. There are some ported applications as Scummvm, OpenTTD, MiniVmac, ... which works quite well totaly unoptimized for the FireBee. If someone would do some optimizations they woulod be really usable applications. I really like OpenTTD myself and if it would run a bit faster it would be real pleasure for me to play. Still I play it a lot :)

Are there any coders who would take a look into that code?
Mikro and Olivier were there to port those applications but they have their other projects to work with, not having time to optimise I guess?
There are still a lot of SDL applications/games waiting to be ported ;)


A few years ago I wrote an app that allowed anyone to quickly create a simple interface for mint command line tools.

It uses xml to specify the command and whatever switch options you want to use and it creates a simple dialogue to run the app.
It was written using the Form dialogue stuff for Windom. http://windom.sourceforge.net/dfrm/

I mostly use it for starting and stopping samba, it just sits in the Thing tools and is much quicker, easier and more Atari than using the command line for simple repetetive tasks.


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