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Re: N.AES

Postby DarkLord » Wed Mar 15, 2017 8:46 am

I originally bought my CD from the company in Germany (Woller?)

Sorry, can't remember the name right off hand.
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Re: N.AES

Postby Faucon2001 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:52 am

NAES 2 can be found on pigwa ftp, if I remember well.
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Re: N.AES

Postby wongck » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:32 am

I used the older version 1,2 I think... fading memory.
Is the NAES 2.0 in English?
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Re: N.AES

Postby Faucon2001 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:38 pm

My memory is also fuzzy. NAES 2 was only published in German if I remember well , but There is an English translation of the rsc on the net.
I have to dig in my hard drives.
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Re: N.AES

Postby wongck » Wed Mar 15, 2017 2:00 pm

IIRC, Joska did a translation but I cannot remember for which version that was.
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Re: N.AES

Postby lp » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:18 pm

wongck wrote:I used n_aes previously when Xaaes was still a baby, but i cannot remember what was the difference.


I was asked this very question the other day. Beyond xaaes claiming to be faster (irrelevant on a fast machine), I could not find any feature list, or comparison charts anywhere.

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Re: N.AES

Postby fmh » Wed Mar 15, 2017 10:17 pm

I purchased N.AES 2.0 in 2002 at an Atari Show. It is/was a commercial product that still may be available from Woller.
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Re: N.AES

Postby Faucon2001 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:53 am

rsc translated by Joska are there : http://joska.duckdns.org/n.aes/
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Re: N.AES

Postby Rustynutt » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:16 am

DarkLord wrote:I originally bought my CD from the company in Germany (Woller?)

Sorry, can't remember the name right off hand.



Bought mine from Woller as well, floppy disk version :)
Sent him a personal check even. Incredible.
Took something like 6 months for the check to finally clear.
DId feel bad about it, but that was before anything but bank transfers, and western union.
Price was in DM then :)

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Postby DarkLord » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:30 am

Western Union was what I used. Was a bit nervous about it, but it worked. :)
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Re: N.AES

Postby mikro » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:04 pm

I always 'liked' the fear of WU you guys in the US have. 99% of the scams done via WU were done in way very similar to current Nigerian spam schemes. I.e. you would send money to an asshole and never see it again.

When we were starting our "business" with Jookie, many people simply refused to pay us via WU because it's "not secure", ignoring any logic behind this claim. ;-)

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Re: N.AES

Postby wongck » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:15 pm

Thanks guys for the pointers to the software and the translations.
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Re: N.AES

Postby wongck » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:17 pm

How do you turn on more debugging messages in this version 2 ??
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Re: N.AES

Postby wongck » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:25 pm

lp wrote:I was asked this very question the other day. Beyond xaaes claiming to be faster (irrelevant on a fast machine),

On the same machine, I feel that N.AES is sluggish compared to Xaaes.
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Re: N.AES

Postby lp » Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:04 pm

wongck wrote:
lp wrote:I was asked this very question the other day. Beyond xaaes claiming to be faster (irrelevant on a fast machine),

On the same machine, I feel that N.AES is sluggish compared to Xaaes.


On my TT I could tell. Hades060 I didn't notice any difference. What machine are you using?

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Re: N.AES

Postby rudis » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:27 pm

XaAES is Kernel Modul and N.AES is not.

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Re: N.AES

Postby wongck » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:41 am

On the firebee.
May be it is just me.
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Re: N.AES

Postby OL » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:11 am

This is a myth, kernel modul is not really faster than other, only more easy to manage process and memory


rudis wrote:XaAES is Kernel Modul and N.AES is not.
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Re: N.AES

Postby OL » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:14 am

NAES is not coldfire native while XaAES is native, it do an huge difference as a lot of code need to be emulated under NAES

There is only 2 AES native under firebee : XaAES and MyAES

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Re: N.AES

Postby AdamK » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:23 am

OL wrote:This is a myth, kernel modul is not really faster than other, only more easy to manage process and memory


rudis wrote:XaAES is Kernel Modul and N.AES is not.

What is a myth? That Xaaes is kernel module? Because it is not a myrh, it is a kernel module.

Xaaes has ssveral features not present in other AESes. What I like the most is, that event loop does not freeze when you open a menu from the top bar. The other great feature is that we have source available. If there is a bug - we can fix it. If we want to make it better - we can.

There are also other features, but mostly useable for 'faster then ordinary' Ataris :)
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Re: N.AES

Postby mikro » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:11 am

I think Olivier meant the claim that XaAES must be faster because it is a kernel module is a myth, perhaps pointing to his own MyAES which is supposed to prove that. ;) (to be honest, no idea, really hard to tell on faster machines)

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Re: N.AES

Postby wongck » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:17 am

mikro wrote: (to be honest, no idea, really hard to tell on faster machines)


To be honest I see it is slower in updating the screen... :wink:
Because i run PHCLOCK on it, and updates to the second hand is always always 5-8 seconds late, and you see the hand jumps around the clock face.
The other OS is smoother updating every seconds.

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Re: N.AES

Postby wongck » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:21 am

So if I grab and moves a window, the updates to the screens are fasters.
While I grab and moves a window around the clock is updating like every 2 seconds or so.

It looks like it is just not yielding to apps more often.

It does not mean it is any slower than the other OS but it is yielding less to the other OS, thereby giving the perception of slower.
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Re: N.AES

Postby OL » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:53 pm

No the myth is to said kernel module AES is faster than AES not using kernel module

Not true to said too " event loop does not freeze when you open a menu", this was implemented in MyAES several years before XaAES around 13 years ago it was already present in first official version! Nothing relative to kernel module.

So yes AES in kernel module faster than classical AES is a myth, and I'm very well placed to said this because I have write one!


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OL wrote:This is a myth, kernel modul is not really faster than other, only more easy to manage process and memory


rudis wrote:XaAES is Kernel Modul and N.AES is not.

What is a myth? That Xaaes is kernel module? Because it is not a myrh, it is a kernel module.

Xaaes has ssveral features not present in other AESes. What I like the most is, that event loop does not freeze when you open a menu from the top bar. The other great feature is that we have source available. If there is a bug - we can fix it. If we want to make it better - we can.

There are also other features, but mostly useable for 'faster then ordinary' Ataris :)
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