List of non-STe compatible games???

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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby Marakatti » Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:48 am

muguk wrote:Napoleon I: The Campaigns 1805-1814 - big sticker on box says 'not STE compatible' - mostly because it was written in STOS. Which, by chance, probably means the early Fun School series would also not work due to them being coded in STOS.


Did anyone try to fix backups with STOS Fixer ?
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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby Mug UK » Fri Aug 22, 2008 7:20 am

Yep, AL released it a while back completely fixed *but* it used the routines by GGN and therefore the release was "not allowed" under the AL name. So it's probably blocked from downloading.
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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby ppera » Fri Aug 22, 2008 1:53 pm

muguk wrote:Give me an example page where this happens and I'll take a look tonight, Ppera.


My mistake. Didn't get how it works at first try...

I think that it will be easy to make direct link to AL (search) by game title...

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Predator on STE

Postby ppera » Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:45 am

As here we could read some contraversal infos about Predator on STE I made a look into that crappy game (yes, it is).

First I saw some Scottich Crew crack (Super GAU menu disk). It was really miserable made, and was totally unusable on newer TOS versions.
Then tried with couple other cracks, much better ones. Did removing of absolute path before filenames, with HxD editor, like this:
fied1.png
Step 1: mark filenames itself, with terminating 0, then Copy (CTRL+C)


fied2.png
Step 2: mark at A:\ ... , same count of bytes (HxD will warn if not same)


fied3.png
Step 3: Paste (CTRL+V) Filelength is unchanged, and must remain so...


After it, I was able to run it on STE, even Falcon (with Hole), from hard disk.
But running from floppy failed on STE, under TOS 1.62 or 1.06 or 2.06 . Later examining showed that programmer used TOS system area at $1000 for some rutine.
It overwrites some pointers, which are used by floppy load, so it crashes after title pic.

Very interesting.... Is this the only case when game runs better from hard disk than floppy ?
Btw. it crashes with Floppy Image Runner too under TOS 1.62/1.06 or freezes on TOS 2.06 .
I have idea how to solve this RAM conflict, but game deserves not so much effort. If want to play it at all cost on STE buy some hard disk... :mrgreen:

Note: I wanted to show here that sometimes hard disk adaptation can be made without any machine language knowledge, just with simple file editing.
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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby nativ » Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:32 am

Hello,

Is the music in Predator a special format, as it sounds like digi and ym!

It's not that bad! The main character animation is okay!

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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby Marakatti » Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:09 pm

nativ wrote:Hello,

Is the music in Predator a special format, as it sounds like digi and ym!

Thanks,


Chip music with digidrums. There are lots of examples, one of the best is probably Turrican II

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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby STcomp » Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:15 am

Do they have any software that can "trick" your STe into thinking it is a normal ST for compatibility problems? (besides loading an old TOS...)

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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby Marakatti » Sun Aug 24, 2008 5:56 am

I remember having a program years ago that loaded old TOS, but there was a pause so you could also autoboot disk at the same time. I believe it was French program...
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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby lotek_style » Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:16 am

Commando, did not work...

and

Joan D'arc, was very unstable on my STE... well might also be a problem of a bad crack.
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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby nativ » Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:26 pm

Hello,

Star Wars (From the trilogy pack) Doesn't work the other two games work, I might just have a corrupt copy.

Predator music sounds like ym for the lead and digi drums and bass? Or is it all samples?

Is there a list of 'e'nhanced, 'e'only, not'e' now? Somewhere. . . . . .?

Thanks
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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby ppera » Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:16 pm

nativ wrote:Is there a list of 'e'nhanced, 'e'only, not'e' now? Somewhere. . . . . .?
Thanks


List - fillable by users/visitors is under work. Will start tomorrow.
How successfull will be depends on you, Atari folk.
Btw. I doub that there is or will be many unhanced title. It is hard task.

Try Star Wars from here:
http://www.ppest.org/atari/fromhd.php

And give some details about on what (TOS version) works not...

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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby lotek_style » Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:42 pm

[quote="nativ"]

Is there a list of 'e'nhanced, 'e'only, not'e' now? Somewhere. . . . . .?

Thanks[/quote]

Here's a list of STe only stuff:

http://atari-ste.anvil-soft.com/
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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby Mug UK » Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:47 pm

Yep, it's an early example of a half-track tune. Think the developers used this in another title they did but memory escapes me.
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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby ppera » Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:00 pm

Compability list online is started...

http://www.ppest.org/atari/atricl.php

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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby Mug UK » Mon Aug 25, 2008 12:35 pm

Nice work .. will get some of the early titles tested on the STE I use for PASTIing - that'll get you a lot of input :)
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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby bod/STAX » Thu Aug 28, 2008 5:59 pm

Operation Wolf doesn't work on STE.

R-Type does work on STE, but it has a bug whereby sometimes pressing 'fire' to start doesn't work and
you have to keep re-booting to get it to work. It did this on my old STFM as well as my STE.

You can get IK+ to work on an STE, but you'll need a crack of it (not the early LSD crack). I brought
this up in another thread a while ago.
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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby ppera » Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:57 am

bod/STAX wrote:Operation Wolf doesn't work on STE.
R-Type does work on STE, but it has a bug whereby sometimes pressing 'fire' to start doesn't work and
you have to keep re-booting to get it to work. It did this on my old STFM as well as my STE.
You can get IK+ to work on an STE, but you'll need a crack of it (not the early LSD crack). I brought
this up in another thread a while ago.


There is a lot of cracks which works not on some machine, TOS version, latest is more important. STE is very compatible with ST. So, it is always worth to check another crack, menu disk. Or other TOS version :D

Also, there is many game with starting problem. It stays especially when launching from hard disk. Usually some patience helps - waiting 5-10 seconds, and then pressing space, fire, return...
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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby Mug UK » Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:01 pm

Started PASTIing a lot of the budget titles I've got last night - once a batch are done, will test the games out normally on the STE that I use for image making etc.

Doubt very much that Jump Jet by Anco from 1988 will work on an STE but you never know :)
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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby MiggyMog » Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:40 am

Yep, it's an early example of a half-track tune. Think the developers used this in another title they did but memory escapes me.


The other half track game I recall is Ninja Remix.

Doubt very much that Jump Jet by Anco from 1988 will work on an STE but you never know


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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby Grunaki » Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:21 pm

bod/STAX wrote:R-Type does work on STE, but it has a bug whereby sometimes pressing 'fire' to start doesn't work and
you have to keep re-booting to get it to work. It did this on my old STFM as well as my STE.


I remember that - you can't press anything or move the joystick while the game loads or it just loads the 'press fire to start' screen and won't let you do anything else.

You can tell if it's crashed if the loading screen appears for a second and then the 'press fire to start' screen comes on. The loading screen needs to stay up for like 30 seconds/a minute while the data is loading.
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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby MiggyMog » Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:04 pm

[quote]R-Type does work on STE, but it has a bug whereby sometimes pressing 'fire' to start doesn't work and
you have to keep re-booting to get it to work. It did this on my old STFM as well as my STE.[quote]


That sounds similar to the bug with Super Hang On menu , the music also went a bit funny.
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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby SofiST » Mon May 30, 2011 3:26 pm

STcomp wrote:Do they have any software that can "trick" your STe into thinking it is a normal ST for compatibility problems? (besides loading an old TOS...)


After dealing with many games I know some things better now. Actually, STE is very compatible to ST. Main difference is that some new HW is added and there is more color available. And TOS is new, not even on same address space. Nothing is removed.
Most of problems is because of new TOS . Precisely: new TOS uses more RAM, so some games or cracks will fail where code is placed too low.
But likely, there is more case of dirty coding, and using some system space (like in game Predator) - it works on some specific TOS version, and fails on other(s), Unfortunately, even some originals suffer from this stupidity (Skychase).

There are cases when game fails on STE because some special bugs - like with Grand Monster Slam : game has bug which does nothing harmful on ST, but on STE screws display, Actually, loop counter is too big, and code writes in space where on ST is nothing, but on STE are HW scrolling registers. Sometimes, such errors are fixed by crackers.

So, the answer is : no. Tricks will not help against bugs as above mentioned. Not possible to disable new HW (registers).

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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby CoolCoyote » Tue May 31, 2011 8:09 am

Got Persian Gulf Inferno

nerver worked on my ste
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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby SofiST » Tue May 31, 2011 1:20 pm

CoolCoyote wrote:Got Persian Gulf Inferno
nerver worked on my ste


Don't nerv about, it will work :D

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Re: List of non-STe compatible games???

Postby CoolCoyote » Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:24 pm

Oh,it's ok

it was frustating when i was young since it was my first game and it never boot :)

i played it later with Steem
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