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Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby redballoon » Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:31 pm

Hello

So, I've found a shed load of my disks containing graphics that I did over the years on my ST - most of them done in Neochrome and Neochrome+.

I've viewed them all on my still work ST and had a real nostalgic cry when viewing them. However, I'd like to get them onto my PC somehow so I can view them (and edit them in Photoshop). Now with emulation, is it somehow possible to run Neochrome through an ST emulator on my PC and then a can screengrab these bad boys to view, edit and just generally show off?

Here's hoping.

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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby Mug UK » Mon Aug 31, 2009 12:13 pm

Welcome to the forum redballoon. There are several ways to get back at your images, so here's two that I either use (b) or others have recommended (a).

(a) Edit them under Windows/Linux/whatever using GrafX2 - http://code.google.com/p/grafx2/

(b) Convert it to PC format (Windows only) using the 'Atari Picture Viewer' by Tom Kirk (attached below) and then edit away in Photoshop etc.
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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby simonsunnyboy » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:29 pm

Grafx2 just doesn't handle Neochrome yet, only Degas and Degas Elite :(
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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby Mug UK » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:34 pm

simonsunnyboy wrote:Grafx2 just doesn't handle Neochrome yet, only Degas and Degas Elite :(


Ah, read that bit wrong as it mentioned NEO files on the File Compatibility page. Can't say I've installed it to check .. :(
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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby redballoon » Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:47 pm

Hello

Thanks, I'll give them both a bash.
I believe I may have tried to post this topic twice but got a time out (no, not the chocolate bar) the first time.
I'm a graphic designer who, amongst other things, specialises in ZX Spectrum graphics - that was what I started on. Where I know what I'm doing and have all the utils for my PC for handling ZX Spectrum graphics, my Atari ST artwork just lies up in the loft dormant.

I'm about to start on a series of 6 covers for a ZX Spectrum Gaming bible, but I've decided to do them in 16 colours just like my old Atari ST graphic days and doing the covers with the limited Spectrum palette is just too much although it does sound like a challenge might undertake.

Sure, I could do them in Photoshop but I get quite, ahem, anal and try to use original utils as possible to produce my artwork but still have the option to use Photoshop to tidy things up as well as make the odd tweak here and there is necessary. So that's where finding this place was a God-send - I can get my old stuff off and also start to make new ST artwork. Yay!

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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby StickHead » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:03 pm

You could load them up in Steem, and then take a screenshot. This will give you pictures in .bmp format. Just make sure the mouse cursor is not visible!
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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby Mug UK » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:21 pm

redballoon wrote:I believe I may have tried to post this topic twice but got a time out (no, not the chocolate bar) the first time.


You did but I removed the double-post for you. Your first few posts (currently 3) have to be approved by a moderator as that's part of our anti-spam defence and you passed the test because you didn't try and sell us anything to do with World of Warcraft :)

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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby simonsunnyboy » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:22 pm

Mug UK wrote:
simonsunnyboy wrote:Grafx2 just doesn't handle Neochrome yet, only Degas and Degas Elite :(


Ah, read that bit wrong as it mentioned NEO files on the File Compatibility page. Can't say I've installed it to check .. :(


My old version doesn't have NEO support - but maybe they have it by now. Would be awesome :)
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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby Hippy Dave » Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:26 pm

This is what I use in linux:

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#!/bin/sh
#
# This script creates .gif's from .NEO's
# (filename.NEO creates filename.gif)
# All *.NEO in the directory are parsed.
# Simply run this script in a directory.

for i in *.NEO;
 do
neotoppm "$i" | ppmtogif > "${i%.NEO}".gif \
 ;
done

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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby spiny » Tue Sep 01, 2009 3:37 pm

save them in PI1 format using neochrome, either on a real atari or in steem.
copy them to a pc
open them with 'xnview'
save as anything you like.

http://www.xnview.com/

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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby keops » Tue Sep 01, 2009 4:40 pm

You can use Xnview or Grafx 2.0 final (it supports both Neochrome and Degas Elite formats): http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=51865

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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby redballoon » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:05 pm

Well, thanks for all the tips.
So far, it's been of some success, although I'm sure I'm missing something in the setup of Steem.
Mind you, some of the floppy discs can be seen in my PC but most cannot and I'm not sure if it's the way the discs are formatted on the ST. I may just have to dig out the old ST again and save to a floppy that I know can be seen.

I'm also having problems actually running apps that can be seen on a floppy.

Still, I've managed to get some of my gfx so far using Atari Picture Viewier (cheers Mug UK), so getting there.

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Postby Mug UK » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:35 pm

Glad you're getting there bit by bit.
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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby bmw-slangen » Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:57 pm

Hi!

I have basically the same problem as others. I recently started to go through my old Atari ST/STE floppies (mind you, some of them are over 20 years old!) to save what I can save.

But I wanted to see (and convert) most of these pictures on my PC.

I've found the XnView (1.97) program on PC which can display a wide range of Atari formats such as
SPC (Spectrum 512)
ART (Art Director)
PI1,PI2,PI3 (Degas)
NEO (Neochrome)
SPU (Spectrum 512)
TNY

But I can't find any program that can handle SPX pictures - does anyone know any?!?



Extra info, these are the formats I found that XnView couldn't handle. If anyone know
another program that can handle these I would be grateful.
CA1 (Crackart)
PIC (Degas)
DOO (Doodle)
IFF
PBX (Quantum)
PCI
PCS
PP1,PP2,PP3

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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby Desty » Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:10 pm

Hi, have you tried netpbm? Getting them to work on Windows was difficult though last time I tried. They work fine on Linux and OS X (I installed them via fink iirc).

ilbmtoppm
convert IFF ILBM to PPM
neotoppm
convert Atari Neochrome (.neo) image to PPM
pi1toppm
convert Atari Degas .pi1 to PPM
pc1toppm
convert Atari Degas .pc1 (compressed pi1) to PPM
pi3topbm
convert Atari Degas .pi3 to PBM
gemtopnm
convert GEM .img format to Netpbm format


There are also some handy utilities like pamtilt which tries to figure out the rotation angle needed to straighten a document that wasn't scanned perfectly straight... just noticed that one now, cool :)
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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby Nyh » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:43 pm

bmw-slangen wrote:But I can't find any program that can handle SPX pictures - does anyone know any?!?

Extra info, these are the formats I found that XnView couldn't handle. If anyone know
another program that can handle these I would be grateful.
CA1 (Crackart)
PIC (Degas)
DOO (Doodle)
IFF
PBX (Quantum)
PCI
PCS
PP1,PP2,PP3


AFAIK the included program will convert all formats to a BMP file. If you have a format that isn't supported please let me know.
Supported formats:
PI1 PI2 PI3 PC1 PC2 PC3: degas_elite
ICN: degas_elite_icon
BL1 BL2 BL3: degas_elite_block
CA1 CA2 CA3: crackart
NEO: neochrome
ART: artdirector
PAC: stad
TNY TN1 TN2 TN3 TN4 TN5 TN6: tiny
IFF: DPAINT ST iff
DOO: doo
SPU SPC SPS: spectrum
SPX: Spectrum spx
PCS: Photochrome
PBX: quantumpaint
PCI: Overscan pci
HRM: hrm
ASB: animaster
MBK: stos_mbk
CR0 CR1 CR2: stos_crchar
PP1 PP2 PP3: stos_pp

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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby spiny » Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:23 pm

nice, it works a treat on converting .spx files :)

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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby Nyh » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:45 pm

spiny wrote:nice, it works a treat on converting .spx files :)


Do you have some (interesting) ST graphics files for me to share? I collect them for testing my tool.

Especially not yet supported formats and pictures that are not decoded correctly are welcome!

Falcon formats are welcome too. As I have no Falcon I don't have any Falcon specific pictures.

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Postby Mug UK » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:16 pm

I can wade through the Floppyshop collection if you want Nyh as there should be a load of SPX files in there.
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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby Nyh » Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:48 pm

Mug UK wrote:I can wade through the Floppyshop collection if you want Nyh as there should be a load of SPX files in there.

Thanks, but don't wade for me. Just remember me if you come across images.

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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby spiny » Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:39 pm

Nyh wrote:
spiny wrote:nice, it works a treat on converting .spx files :)


Do you have some (interesting) ST graphics files for me to share? I collect them for testing my tool.

Especially not yet supported formats and pictures that are not decoded correctly are welcome!

Falcon formats are welcome too. As I have no Falcon I don't have any Falcon specific pictures.

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the only ones I have ar about 100 spx 'adult' files - I bought a load of used disks off ebay, and whoever bought them first time round seemed to like buying lots of adult PD disks :)

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Postby Mug UK » Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:44 pm

Once they're preserved, you can format them :)
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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby Nyh » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:41 pm

spiny wrote:the only ones I have ar about 100 spx 'adult' files - I bought a load of used disks off ebay, and whoever bought them first time round seemed to like buying lots of adult PD disks :)

I think most spx files are adult themed. If you can upload them for me I would be very happy. I am still missing a lot of the hotbabes from EI.

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Postby spiny » Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:44 am

Nyh wrote:
spiny wrote:the only ones I have ar about 100 spx 'adult' files - I bought a load of used disks off ebay, and whoever bought them first time round seemed to like buying lots of adult PD disks :)

I think most spx files are adult themed. If you can upload them for me I would be very happy. I am still missing a lot of the hotbabes from EI.

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will do.

do you just want the files in one big .rar or each disk separatly ? The disks are just collections of six or seven images and a viewer.

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Re: Getting ST graphics onto PC

Postby Nyh » Tue Feb 09, 2010 10:54 am

spiny wrote:
Nyh wrote:I think most spx files are adult themed. If you can upload them for me I would be very happy. I am still missing a lot of the hotbabes from EI.


will do.

do you just want the files in one big .rar or each disk separatly ? The disks are just collections of six or seven images and a viewer.

Thanks!

What ever suits you best. I can handle anything. One big .rar is easiest I think.

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