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Re: EasyAraMint : a modern OS for Aranym

Postby lschafroth » Fri Mar 28, 2014 3:12 am

Netsurf seems to be a bit unreliable browsing sites.
Troll worked great. Put in my corporate gmail account via IMAP and the SSL connection and it loaded the messages no problem!
I never had the experience of a nice operating system on my Atari back in the day. I never got the chance use Neodesk, teradeck, jinee and etc.

My only experience was a 1040STfm with a modem and TOS 1.4. Lots of time spent dialing BBS and I even called from the USA to germany BBS systems to get software.

It will take me some time to learn this new Mint/Xaeas stuff.

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Re: EasyAraMint : a modern OS for Aranym

Postby warp12 » Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:43 pm

Faucon2001 wrote:Warp12, It's easy.

You need first to install Aranym (aranym.org), then download EasyAraMint, uncompress it, read carefully the install guide readme.pdf, copy the files in the indicated directory which is different from one system to the other, execute a few setup to have internet running et voila. Total 15 min to have the system running and it works on Linux, OSX and Windows. It gives you a system 68040@3,3 ghz (that the relative speed calculated with Chronos for a core i3), video 32 bits, 16 bits sound, Network access, Printing capable, with all the applications necessary.

I am interested in your feed back on the documentation , as I am not a Technical Writer it will be very valuable to improve it.
As this document as been written on Atari Works on EasyAraMint and the original text file is in the distro, you can modify it if you find some unclear part.


Excellent. I will try the install this weekend! :)
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Postby Faucon2001 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:37 am

lschafroth wrote:Netsurf seems to be a bit unreliable browsing sites.

Do you mean that it crashes often or that you can't access many web sites? In the second case, Netsurf can't deal with flash, so bye bye music, video and other fancy stuff.

lschafroth wrote:Troll worked great. Put in my corporate gmail account via IMAP and the SSL connection and it loaded the messages no problem!
I never had the experience of a nice operating system on my Atari back in the day. I never got the chance use Neodesk, teradeck, jinee and etc.
My only experience was a 1040STfm with a modem and TOS 1.4. Lots of time spent dialing BBS and I even called from the USA to germany BBS systems to get software.
It will take me some time to learn this new Mint/Xaeas stuff. Lannie

Well, I started with a 520ST in 86 and ended up with a Falcon+ct2+8 audio output interface+Cubase Audio+CD burner until 2000, and from 2001 to 2013 I have not seen any Atari stuff. It's an evolution, not a revolution. You will feel quickly familiar.
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Postby mfro » Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:23 am

Just wanted to post a quick "thanks" for this.

Setup went flawless, even networking was a no-brainer on Ubuntu (this post is sent from Aranym ;) ). The only thing that needed a little tweeking was the German keyboard.

Very good work! Thanks again.

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Re: EasyAraMint : a modern OS for Aranym

Postby lschafroth » Sat Mar 29, 2014 3:57 pm

Faucon2001 wrote:
lschafroth wrote:Netsurf seems to be a bit unreliable browsing sites.

Do you mean that it crashes often or that you can't access many web sites? In the second case, Netsurf can't deal with flash, so bye bye music, video and other fancy stuff.


It fails even on the atari forums site. Just basic sites it stops working on. It will work for a bit then give dns timeout issues when other networking programs are still working.
So far it seems random but I'll keep trying to see if there is a pattern that causes it.

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Postby Faucon2001 » Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:15 pm

MFRO you're welcome :D

If you have done a special German Keyboard, please send a copy with the description of the keyboard and I will add it to the distro.
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Postby LaurentS » Sat Mar 29, 2014 8:47 pm

Hi Faucon,

I've done a mapping of the french keyboard (in setup keyboard).
Do you want it ?
If yes, which file should I send you ?

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Postby Faucon2001 » Sun Mar 30, 2014 5:18 am

Hi Laurent,

Thanks for the contribution :D
The .tbl file is the one you need to send.
And provide a description of your keyboard (mac, pc, gaming xxx ...)

:cheers:
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Postby Faucon2001 » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:41 pm

Atari StEve did a nice video demo of Aranym with EasyAraMint on his iMac.

Enjoy !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9EwJ-yMZEg
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Re: EasyAraMint : a modern OS for Aranym

Postby AtariCrypt » Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:25 pm

Faucon2001 wrote:Atari StEve did a nice video demo of Aranym with EasyAraMint on his iMac.

Enjoy !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9EwJ-yMZEg


Thank you, I appreciate that. But all credit to you and not me. This is a wonderful creation of Atari beauty :D
The credit certainly is all yours Philippe.
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Postby paul92706 » Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:17 pm

Bravo! very nice job and setup Phil! indeed nice! :D
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Postby AtariCrypt » Thu Feb 05, 2015 10:20 pm

It's a great -ready to use- set up. I've been so impressed by this and I can only imagine what else is planned. Awesome STuff :-)
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Re: EasyAraMint : a modern OS for Aranym

Postby cb » Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:50 pm

This is very good - are there any updates planned?
I have installed Jinnee 2.5 + scripter and some other stuff and it's running great! :)
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Re: EasyAraMint : a modern OS for Aranym

Postby Faucon2001 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:14 am

Hi CB
Thanks a lot. I am glad you like it and find it utile. :-)

Regarding updates, yes it is planned. I actually have one up to date version pretty stable with many add ons like printing capability, but I didn't release it yet as I want it to include all the necessary setup programs, in order to make the install easy and smooth which is not the case yet. I have started to develop it, but as I am new to it, it takes time ... and you know that time is always missing.

My final goal is to have a self contained EasyAraMint, like AFROS but on an USB key ontop of a light linux running under.
It's working well on HDD, it's a little bit tricky with an USB key, and as for now the Linux install is too heavy (2Go) to be worth distributing.
As I am not a Linux Guru, it's very difficult for me to optimize Xubuntu install :-(
If there is a Linux Guru out there, welcome.
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Postby farvardin » Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:27 pm

wouaou, bravo Philippe !
It's working very well, I wasn't aware of this project before today... Thanks a lot for the 3 os settings, so it was easy to set up on mine.
I also managed to get the network so I could surf the web...
The only thing that isn't working is zview:
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/201 ... -12-03.png

for your usb key, was 2go after a full install, or on the iso image?
I haven't made a live cd for years, but there are probably several linux users or guru willing to help you...
Some years ago I found it was very easy to remaster a pclinuxos as a livecd, first you download the iso, then install it on a virtual machine (virtualbox for instance), remove unwanted stuff (openoffice and such) and there should be an application to create a new iso from the current install. At least some years ago it was working that way.
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Re: EasyAraMint : a modern OS for Aranym

Postby Playmobil » Fri Dec 04, 2015 12:30 am

Strange your problème with zview... No soucis here under W7 or Linux...


Bizarre ton soucis avec Zview, aucuns soucis chez moi, que ce soit sous W7 ou Linux...
Et étrange aussi que tu n'es pas vu le travaille de Philippe avant, c'est juste une tuerie !

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Postby Faucon2001 » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:48 pm

Thank you guys :-)
Wow, Vincent on Atari Forum : First post ! Welcome bro !

I am puzzled with your Zview issue. This version is working well on all my setups (Linux, OSX and Zindoz)
May be a corrupted file or some glitches of Aranym.
Do you have the same error message if you start only Zview just after a clean boot, it could be an incompatibility between apps ?

Regarding the USB Key, ideally I'd like to have a full running system directly on the key with storage (a 5 g portable Atari in a kind of way), with the option to install it on an hard drive should you want to. Between MBR or EFI boot, it's quite complex to find a simple solution, but I have some clues.
I have played with remarstersys, but unfortunately this soft is no longer opened.
By mounting a chroot fs of xubuntu distro I have been able to remove most of the unnecessary apps for X, pre install aranym and easyaramint and remaster the install ; but in the end you still have a 2GB install ... and it was not so stable as a first attempt.

My main issue is how to make a minimal linux layer just necessary to run Aranym ?
From what I have seen on mini distros 100 Mb or less can be achieved. Basically it's there that my knowledges are overpassed.

I have looked at mini distros, but a lot are not up to date or don't boot on my Nuc i5, or they are not Debian, and that's the only flavor of Linux I know well :-(
I have spent quite some time on Slax as it's used for AFROS, but have not been able to boot it on the NUC, neither MBR nor EFI boot.

I am switching my trials to a Mini Ubuntu install, only console, weighting 500-600 MB. But it's a work in progress.
Without X, Aranym must use the frame buffer which I believe has some some limitations in term of resolutions but should work with a 1280x1024x32 that I am targeting. X is a big unnecessary part of Linux layer. But there is much more, like the development tools, docs, various services and servers, CUPS which can be replaced by a lighter lpd ... but which packages should and could I remove ?

Ideally it should be done the other way around and build the linux layer from scratch. I have read most of the documentation available on the net on this subject, and ended with a big headache : definitely out of my skills ... but I am sure that one is this forum has the required skills.

So I am sending a message in a bottle :
I am looking for the help of a linux Guru in order to build a small linux distro for Aranym, running on an USB key and on any machine.
This is a sacred mission in order to fulfill the prophecy : "a 5g portable Atari one day you will have" ;-)
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Re: EasyAraMint : a modern OS for Aranym

Postby Playmobil » Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:01 pm

Faucon2001 wrote:Thank you guys :-)
Wow, Vincent on Atari Forum : First post ! Welcome bro !


First, sorry for my english.

Yes, but for some strange reasons, many and many months I'll try to suscribe at Atari-Forum with no success... :(

Sometimes it was invalid e-mail, sometimes Nickname was invalid, sometimes need to wait an admin consider my sort...

Bref, this time is ok ! :D

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Re: EasyAraMint : a modern OS for Aranym

Postby Faucon2001 » Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:17 pm

Hi guys,

Your messages gave me some extra motivation to restart where I had stopped before and learn more about making my own distro.
Needless to say that these first days of vacations have been well used as I have solved all the issues I had so far 8)

Basically, I have restarted with Ubuntu Mini Remix 15.04, a 260 MB console only base, installed uck-remaster, read quite a lot, and 8 iterations later I have a USB Key booting directly EasyAraMint with sound, network and 4GB permanent drive, in 30s :D

Sherry on the cake, it's much easier than it seems once you learned how to setup properly the chroot :lol:

I still have to do more testings and a few tunings before releasing it, but it seems that we will have soon a replacement for the great Afros CD.

Will it be ready before Christmas :?:
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Postby AtariCrypt » Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:12 pm

Philippe, the master!
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Postby highway » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:37 pm

Very interrested in too ! :D
If you need someone to install & do some test, you can contact me !
(also available in french ;))

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Re: EasyAraMint : a modern OS for Aranym

Postby highway » Fri Apr 22, 2016 9:03 pm

Hello

Some news on Faucon2001 website : USB key Aranym version !
Very good news !!

https://sites.google.com/site/emaappsar ... monausbkey

Unfortunatly, I can't manage to have it working on my computer ...
What about you ?

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Re: EasyAraMint : a modern OS for Aranym

Postby Faucon2001 » Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:28 am

Hi,

What issue are you facing?
On what machine are you trying to boot?

On PCs you must boot in MBR legacy mode and not EFI mode, and deactivate boot secure. Modify the BIOS options for that.
On Mac it's a different procedure which use EFI mode ; both methods are not compatible.
If your machine can boot Linux from USB there is no reason it won't work. If it can't, I don't thing it should work.
Last thing, the first boot with an USB2 key is VERY VERY LONG : 5 real minutes ; so please wait and check that your USB Key light is still flashing.
After, it gets faster.
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Postby shoggoth » Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:27 am

I'm impressed by this effort and I truly love the idea! Thanks!

I tried it yesterday, and I have a minor question about the implementation of it. I prefer logging in sans GUI. I'd like to start it manually by typing xaaes (for example). This is how I use the machine, until I decide to try something in GEM.

I looked at mint.cnf, and it does indeed start the init script (init = u:/sbin/init), but I can't find where it starts XaAES. So how do achieve the desired behavior (above)?
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Postby rudis » Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:31 pm

look in etc/ttytab


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