Collected 3500 ST disks today

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby rich » Sun Apr 27, 2014 8:58 pm

I'm just copying the actual files out, no disk format. Some of the disks are using some crazy extended formats, but thankfully my Falcon doesn't seem to mind too much.

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby spiny » Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:38 pm

rich wrote:Somewhat inspired by this again I've imaged half of my Falcon collection. Have been imaging my Falcon Owners Group PD Library disks and then will move on to my personal Falcon disks (those that Phil doesn't have any way). Will upload them all when finished - at least bandwidth is much faster now than all those years ago :)


yes, these have been confusing me :D I have my ST modded to use an HD drive, so my atari will read the HD disks, but when I stick them in the PC to image then, ST Recover does weird things, and then I notice it's an HD disk ...
I'm not sure what the best way to image these would be ? will MSA work with HD disks ? I guess FCOPY3 will read them to an image ?

nearly at 300 disks now, not much 'new' stuff I don't think, mostly utilites and demos that might already be available, but I have a 'system' now :) so I'm going to image the lot.

Got about 50-60 in the 'wont read' pile - when I get a few more I'll happily post them off to someone who wants a go at imaging them.

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby Brume » Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:44 pm

spiny wrote:Got about 50-60 in the 'wont read' pile - when I get a few more I'll happily post them off to someone who wants a go at imaging them.

Can do the job, since I've recovered/repaired a lot of bad disks during the last few weeks :)
But I live in France. So the shipping cost may be a bit expensive...

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby Mug UK » Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:45 pm

Stockport's a bit closer :-)

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby spiny » Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:40 am

OK, the next batch of disks is up, another 150 or so :)
Not so much fun stuff this time, quite a bit of PD and possible demos that are already available, but alos a lot of disks with 'stuff' on them, that is probably just old copies of 1st Word Plus, but might have undiscovered content too.

These are in my FTP and also on Climatics, the index doc has been updated too

I think I have sorted about 1/3 of the disks now, there were the original 700 that Rich did, lots of HD which I'll look at soon, about a billion ST Format cover disks, which I'll check to make sure thats actually what they are (that'll be fun!) and a pile of the usual Medway/PP menus. Still got a few months worth to image though :)

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby Mug UK » Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:44 am

If you want to bung the problematic ones up for me to try on my Kryoflux, let me know.

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby spiny » Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:48 am

sure, message me your address and I'll box up what I have so far - though none of them look 'rare' but you never know :)

To be honest, it didn't occur to me to try my Kryoflux :D :D

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby lotek_style » Sat May 10, 2014 8:52 am

Those are buggy:

Disk_0003.ST_damaged

Disk_0014.ST_damaged

Disk_0022.ST_damaged

Disk_0121.ST_damaged

Disk_0129.ST_damaged

Disk_0133.ST_damaged

DISK_0163.MSA_damaged

disk_0192.msa_damaged

disk_0195.msa_damaged

disk_0328.msa_damaged
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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby spiny » Sat May 10, 2014 4:42 pm

cool, i'll dig them out and try MSA on my ST, if thats still bad, i'll stick them in the 'not working' box.

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby Brume » Sat May 10, 2014 10:30 pm

Last week, I've forgotten to say:
thank you spiny for the second batch :D

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby bandit » Sun May 11, 2014 8:13 am

hell yes spiny! thank u very much!!

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby bodkinz » Sun May 11, 2014 7:11 pm

Any chance of someone putting up the files that spiny has imaged somewhere else.. i dont seem to be able to grab them from climatics.. and spiny's ftp seems to be down.. thanks in advance :)
someone post something, i'm bored :)

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby bandit » Sun May 11, 2014 7:14 pm

hmm ftp.climatics.com is up and running :-) user: atari pw: atarist



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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby bodkinz » Sun May 11, 2014 7:24 pm

My ip seems to be banned on there...

[R] Connecting to ftp.climatics.com -> DNS=ftp.climatics.com IP=83.78.113.252 PORT=21
[R] Connected to ftp.climatics.com
[R] 550 No connections allowed from your IP

for some reason i can manage to grab them now.. thanks if it was sorted :)
someone post something, i'm bored :)

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby bandit » Sun May 11, 2014 8:05 pm

thats weired i have no blocking configured and others are downloading. i will check again in 1h i have to pick up my wife from airport:-)

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby bodkinz » Sun May 11, 2014 8:11 pm

I have no idea why it now works... one moment i could get to the dirs... but download was 0bytes... hten i couldnt even see the dirs or log in.... no idea at all... anyway seems ok now... thanks :)

Some of these disks i've been hoping for for a long time :cheers:
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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby bodkinz » Mon May 12, 2014 9:49 am

I have been lurking :)

BTW... the disks that have been imaged... have they first been copied to a good disk with fastcopy.. then imaged ??

That would make sure that they were 100% before imaging.. sorry if i'm saying what people already know...

Just that with fastcopy you can keep trying the bad sectors on a disk till they read correctly... or can use two different copies of a disk and copy all good sectors to a blank.. etc etc etc...

well thats how i did the menus i had... if my words arnt wise then ignore what i have said :)
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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby Brume » Mon May 12, 2014 11:30 am

@bodkinz
or you can do it faster: just use FastCopy as the imager program :wink: It produces a .DIM file than can be used with emulators or easily converted into .MSA or .ST format.

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby spiny » Mon May 12, 2014 2:06 pm

Brume wrote:@bodkinz
or you can do it faster: just use FastCopy as the imager program :wink: It produces a .DIM file than can be used with emulators or easily converted into .MSA or .ST format.



I didn't know this, I have a small pile of disks that my PC won't 'see' - ST Recover literally says 'no disk in drive', and MSA craps out if it sees a bad sector, so FCopy could help here.

As for the other images, I'm just imaging them straight on the PC - ST Recover does a good job of reading bad sectors, plus FCopying them all fist would take a million years :D

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby spiny » Mon May 12, 2014 2:07 pm

also, my FTP should be back up - there was a power cut here at the weekend, and it tripped a breaker in my room, so none of my servers were 'up' until this morning.

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby dlfrsilver » Wed May 14, 2014 12:17 pm

Spiny, i have a terrific way for disk that have errors due to moistures.

Prerequisites :

- Demak'up woman eyes cleaner cotons
- Some 70% or 90% alcohol
- An X-acto knife or a cutter
- a good floppy to sacrifice
- some scotch

1) pick the disk that fails to read, and use the cutter/X-acto knife to open it carefully (remove the window tab and the spring)
2) use the coton demak'up against the alcohol opening, then use the coton with alcohol on the actual side of the disk accessible, going from the inner to outer of the disk film.
3) Once done, transfer the disk film inside the floppy to sacrifice, and from there, use to coton exactly the same on the other side of the film
4) once fully cleaned, close the floppy shell with the scotch, and insert it in the atari ST drive, and quickly image the disk

If the moisture has eaten the film or the film has a strange color on surface, the film is dead and it's impossible to get the content.
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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby spiny » Wed May 14, 2014 2:30 pm

cool, I might give it a go on some of the more obviously 'mouldy' disks.

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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby dlfrsilver » Wed May 14, 2014 5:16 pm

spiny wrote:cool, I might give it a go on some of the more obviously 'mouldy' disks.


It works very nicely, i have been able to dump Lords of time for amiga, when both disks were mouldy.

Just be careful about the magnetic film which is tied to the metal round, since the disk are old, it can detach itself.
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Re: Collected 3500 ST disks today

Postby spiny » Thu May 22, 2014 7:29 am

OK, another batch uploaded - on both my FTP and Climatics, index doc has been uploaded too.

Things are slowing down a bit as a: the weather is nicer :D and b: the box I'm going throuhg seems to have a lot of bad disks, but I'll keep on imaging :)

there a re a few disks marked (imaged on ST) - there were done using MSA on my ST, as my PC wouldn't 'see' the disk.

I have since learnt that FCopy is much better at this, so the next round will use that for the more tricky disks.

edit: and it appears I left the SD card with those images on it, at home, whoops :D


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