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Re: STe Enhanced or STe Only Games - GBST List

Postby Stefan jL » Sun Sep 12, 2010 1:23 pm

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Postby leglod » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:40 pm

Pouifouf my game http://leglod.free.fr/ATARI/Disqettes/Pouifile.zip
Use Hardware scrolling Blitter DMA sound ... :D
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Re: STe Enhanced or STe Only Games - GBST List

Postby nativ » Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:37 pm

Frank B wrote:
Frank B wrote:Bumping an old thread. Can anybody see where Venus flytrap is STe enhanced? It looks identical to the ST version.


Oh btw Zool is using the blitter. I stuck some printfs in the Hatari code and ran the game. Nice example of using the hardware.



Not to forget the Blitter was introduced in the STFM / Mega ST with Tos 1.4, It's the hard scroll, DMA Sound and microwire that are STe features.

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Postby Dio » Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:25 pm

deepblue69uk wrote:I am quite certain that Starball was STe enhanced as well as Falcon enhanced. It certainly worked on the STFM though. Love that game, I can remember when I got it on the coverdisk of one of the ST magazines at the time in the mid 1990s.

Yes - there's sampled sound on the STE if you have the right files. Took me ages to find the source to prove it though :) .

It definitely isn't STE only though.

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Postby Marcer » Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:11 pm

its also Falcon enhanced.

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Postby Dio » Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:14 pm

To be honest by the end the Falcon was the primary platform and any remaining STFM compatibility was almost accidental :D .

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Postby Marcer » Sat Sep 10, 2011 8:06 pm

well sadly all commercial game developers didnt understand STE arrived. they sticked to STFM primary hardware. thats the sad truth hobbiest was the major formers of showing us what the ste could/can do.
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Postby Dio » Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:46 am

Marcer wrote:well sadly all commercial game developers didnt understand STE arrived. they sticked to STFM primary hardware. thats the sad truth hobbiest was the major formers of showing us what the ste could/can do.

The underlying problem was that to really use the STE hardware you had to design the game around it - or, at the very least, have two completely different game engines. The sound capabilities were easy to make use of because having two different sound engines is not a big thing.

By the time the STE's market penetration had risen enough to make this worth considering, the "games computer" market had been effectively finished by the 16-bit consoles, notably the Megadrive, and their platform fee business model. (After all, it's not like Amiga games lasted any longer). Closed, custom hardware simply couldn't compete without taking a slice of the games money. The PC survived only by being an open hardware platform, where the monstrous economies of scale and having a dual-market by running standard business software.

Had the STE graphics capabilities been added in 1987 - which, frankly, at least some of them could have been; certainly, adding the VAP low byte and writable screencurrent would have cost nothing except the new wafer masks (and they might have even been able to make that back selling MMU updates, since all the MMU chips to that point were socketed and would have been trivially changed at a service centre) - then it would have been a different story, since there would have been three years before the much better hardware came along. But I suspect that until syncscrolling and the like came along they simply never thought it would be useful.

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Postby nativ » Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:57 pm

Hi,

Poor old STEve! :)

I am trawing through mame/klov to find out where the expertise went? there were some capable old arcade coders, why did those games not make it across?

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Postby Dio » Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:09 pm

Actually the reverse is probably true - the better the hardware, the lazier the programmer can be. No point in spending six months optimising a sprite routine when you can chuck another sprite chip at the problem. Or trying to squeeze a game into 16K when you could just add another ROM.

The ST had some phenomenal coding, although the guys who really get respect, are the Atari VCS programmers. You essentially program the TV's electron gun by hand, and have to fit your whole program into 2K. With 135 variations.

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Postby StickHead » Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:48 pm

Dio wrote:Actually the reverse is probably true - the better the hardware, the lazier the programmer can be.


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Re: STe Enhanced or STe Only Games - GBST List

Postby nativ » Sun Sep 11, 2011 9:55 pm

Fair point!

Early coders were genius!

when the money got involved. . .

I had a rant recently about THQ who did all the dire arcade ports the were exclaiming about the next next gen using ssd, more akin to arcade hardware. . . I guess things never change! they saw it a a leap forward, but its going back to roots really!

Ok 2600 on the menu! and some ZX81!

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Re: STe Enhanced or STe Only Games - GBST List

Postby EvilFranky » Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:28 pm

Dio wrote:Had the STE graphics capabilities been added in 1987 - which, frankly, at least some of them could have been; certainly, adding the VAP low byte and writable screencurrent would have cost nothing except the new wafer masks (and they might have even been able to make that back selling MMU updates, since all the MMU chips to that point were socketed and would have been trivially changed at a service centre) - then it would have been a different story, since there would have been three years before the much better hardware came along. But I suspect that until syncscrolling and the like came along they simply never thought it would be useful.


Sorry I have just updated myself on this thread and seen this comment Dio...

What do you mean by VAP low byte, writable screencurrent? Also why would a replacement MMU be needed?

What would this have provided to the lowly ST/F/M machines?

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Re: STe Enhanced or STe Only Games - GBST List

Postby Frank B » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:46 pm

Hero on Automation 502 uses the blitter
manchester united Europe on automation 498 detected the blitter but doesn't appear to use it. Might be worth it to try another crack


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