Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Game requests go here.

Moderators: simonsunnyboy, Mug UK, Doctor Bob Gordon, ICS, Moderator Team

Francois424
Atarian
Atarian
Posts: 5
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:41 pm

Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby Francois424 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:13 pm

Hello,
I would like to request that game, I already have three version of it including the original box with all disc and documentation.

The second one is the Automaton image, which is bugged for dongeon explorations especially if you save and load dungeons.
Sometimes you end up in another dungeon alltogetter, or get stuck. Not to mention if you rerun the game after doing the dungeons once, the items do not always respawn (especially the unique, one-timer items).

The Third one, is a 2 images (one for each disc of the game) that I got from a peer-to-peer.
So At fist I thought "HEy, this is going to be like the original" Right ? Nope, some joker cracked it and by doing so some of the battle sequence is buggy and sometime characters can't attack or cast spells anymore even if in good health.

What I could like to request is for an Uncracked, non-automatized version, just 2 images (I use SteeM) one for each disc.
As I have the original documentation I dont need hacking.

Thank You.


PS: I have tried «Atari ST Disk Detective v1.1.exe» which gives an error when I tried to run it, and I did a forum search for "Nikademus" and didnt find much.
I will come to check the forum every day or so, but if you need it my email is francois.poisson@videotron.ca
Thanks again.

User avatar
keili
Atari God
Atari God
Posts: 1287
Joined: Sun Mar 07, 2004 7:29 pm
Location: Germany, near Leer
Contact:

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby keili » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:45 pm

You could also try SuperGAU 65 or Zuul 230. Both can be found at Planetemu.

Edit: First, welcome here :oops: and have a lot of fun.
TI 99/4A, C64, 800XL, 260ST, 520ST, 520ST+, 1040ST, 1040 STE, Mega ST1, Mega ST2, Mega STe, Apple IIsi

User avatar
Mug UK
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 11289
Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:16 pm
Location: Stockport (UK)
Contact:

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby Mug UK » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:54 pm

Phantasie III is one I've not yet tracked down .. got Phantasie II, Wizard's Crown & Rings of Zilfin though :)
My main site: http://www.mug-uk.co.uk - slowly digging up the bits from my past (and re-working a few): Atari ST, Sega 8-bit (game hacks) and NDS (Music ripping guide).

I develop a free Word (for Windows) add-in that's available for Word 2007 upwards. It's a fix-it toolbox that will allow power Word users to fix document errors. You can find it at: http://www.mikestoolbox.co.uk

whytry
Atarian
Atarian
Posts: 1
Joined: Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:12 pm

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby whytry » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:39 pm

I think I have a solution to Francois424's problem with the Automation image.

Background: Phantasie III (PIII) is my favourite game for Atari ST. I researched emulators a few days ago (which I have never used before), found Steem (and others), loaded Steem, got the Automation image of PIII and then ran into the problem Francois424 mentions: can't save/load dungeons. (Note I did not yet see his other problems: end up in another dungeon and items not respawning.) I don't know much about programming/computers, so I didn't know how to solve. I searched the internet and Francois424's post was the closest thing I found related to this problem.

Then I called a friend who does know programming/computers and he figured out a solution.

The apparent problem: maybe something to do with not being able to save to a ST file. (However, one could save your characters to the ST file, so I don't know why saving dungeons to the ST didn't work????)

The solution: 1) with Steem diskmanager, create a new disk image (right click to get menu). 2) put this new disk image in the B drive (don't the pictures of the dirves look like little faces? I have always thought this, since I was ten) 3) Start PIII from the ST file (i.e. put the ST file into the A drive and start Steem), which will bring you to the green desktop of Steem. 4) In this destop, copy all of the files from A drive into the B drive. 5) go into the B drive and delete (i.e. drag to trach) the one file from the "Auto" folder (my friend thinks this auto folder/file does work anyways). 6) In diskmanager, put the disk image (which now has the PIII files on it) into the A drive. 7) reset Steem, press 1 to goto PIII and then in the Steem green desktop, click the PIII file to start PIII. '8) done.

I joined this forum to provide this solution. If someone:
- has a different solution;
- know if Francois424's other problems still exist;
- has other comments,
...please let me know. I hope this helps someone else enjoy PIII.

Thanks.

bandit
Captain Atari
Captain Atari
Posts: 271
Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:02 pm
Contact:

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby bandit » Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:35 pm

there're several versions:
www.climatics.com/depot

hang loose archive / p /phantasie III

cheers Bandit

User avatar
AnakiMana
Atari freak
Atari freak
Posts: 53
Joined: Fri Mar 15, 2013 7:56 am
Location: Richland, WA, USA

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby AnakiMana » Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:48 am

I have all three Phantasie games, originals with boxes & manuals. I play them on real Atari ST/STE. I don't know how I can help. How do you suggest I create images to run in emulators?

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

User avatar
greatguy
Atari freak
Atari freak
Posts: 67
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:01 pm
Location: Sweden

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby greatguy » Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:54 pm

I have made SuperCard PRO images of Phantastie 2 and 3. I can share them if that would be of interest.
Image
Swedish retro computer fair
http://www.retrogathering.se

User avatar
dhedberg
Atari Super Hero
Atari Super Hero
Posts: 678
Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:36 am
Contact:

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby dhedberg » Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:36 pm

Is is possible to make ST disk images of Phantasie III, or does it use some protection scheme making it impossible? I played this game back in the 80's and loved it. Would be nice to play it again, preferably on an emulator if possible.
Daniel, New Beat - http://newbeat.atari.org

User avatar
greatguy
Atari freak
Atari freak
Posts: 67
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:01 pm
Location: Sweden

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby greatguy » Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:15 pm

Here you have a copy of Phantasie III.

Phantasie III.zip
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Image
Swedish retro computer fair
http://www.retrogathering.se

User avatar
greatguy
Atari freak
Atari freak
Posts: 67
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:01 pm
Location: Sweden

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby greatguy » Sun Apr 06, 2014 6:17 pm

Might as well also give you a copy of Phantasie II.

Phantasie II.zip


Btw, how do I attach more than one file in the same post?
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Image
Swedish retro computer fair
http://www.retrogathering.se

User avatar
dhedberg
Atari Super Hero
Atari Super Hero
Posts: 678
Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2010 8:36 am
Contact:

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby dhedberg » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:18 pm

greatguy wrote:Here you have a copy of Phantasie III.
Might as well also give you a copy of Phantasie II.

Wonderful! Thanks a lot! Are these the originals? No copy protection besides the annoying questions during the game?

Thanks,
Daniel
Daniel, New Beat - http://newbeat.atari.org

User avatar
Mug UK
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 11289
Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:16 pm
Location: Stockport (UK)
Contact:

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby Mug UK » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:36 pm

From memory it used a manual protection.

Sent by my Note III
My main site: http://www.mug-uk.co.uk - slowly digging up the bits from my past (and re-working a few): Atari ST, Sega 8-bit (game hacks) and NDS (Music ripping guide).

I develop a free Word (for Windows) add-in that's available for Word 2007 upwards. It's a fix-it toolbox that will allow power Word users to fix document errors. You can find it at: http://www.mikestoolbox.co.uk

User avatar
greatguy
Atari freak
Atari freak
Posts: 67
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:01 pm
Location: Sweden

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby greatguy » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:46 am

dhedberg wrote:Wonderful! Thanks a lot! Are these the originals? No copy protection besides the annoying questions during the game?

Thanks,
Daniel

These are from the original disks and I don't think that there are any physical copy protection, but I did notice a strange format on the data disk of Phantasie III.
Image
Swedish retro computer fair
http://www.retrogathering.se

AtariZoll
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Posts: 2978
Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:42 pm
Contact:

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby AtariZoll » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:15 am

greatguy wrote:...
These are from the original disks and I don't think that there are any physical copy protection, but I did notice a strange format on the data disk of Phantasie III.

There is nothing unusual with data disk. Standard SS, 9 sector/track, FAT12 TOS floppy :D
I compared your images with those at AM. Both are 100% same - talking about conversions to ST format of them.
Famous Schrodinger's cat hypothetical experiment says that cat is dead or alive until we open box and see condition of poor animal, which deserved better logic. Cat is always in some certain state - regardless from is observer able or not to see what the state is.

User avatar
greatguy
Atari freak
Atari freak
Posts: 67
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:01 pm
Location: Sweden

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby greatguy » Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:40 am

AtariZoll wrote:
greatguy wrote:...
These are from the original disks and I don't think that there are any physical copy protection, but I did notice a strange format on the data disk of Phantasie III.

There is nothing unusual with data disk. Standard SS, 9 sector/track, FAT12 TOS floppy :D
I compared your images with those at AM. Both are 100% same - talking about conversions to ST format of them.


Oops, I meant game disk. :oops:
I'm sure that the data is the same on .ST image, but the log-file I get from aufit while converting to pasti tells a different story about the diskformat.

Code: Select all

Track 01.0 has data over index

Track 02.0 has data over index

Track 02.0 Sect 7 has invalid characters:  1 in intra gap

Track 03.0 has data over index

Track 05.0 has data over index

Track 06.0 has data over index

Track 07.0 has data over index

Track 09.0 has data over index

Track 10.0 has data over index

Track 11.0 has data over index

Track 12.0 has data over index

Track 13.0 has data beyond index

Track 14.0 has data over index

Track 16.0 has data over index

Track 17.0 has data over index

Track 19.0 has data over index

Track 20.0 has data over index

Track 21.0 has ID field over index

Track 22.0 has data over index

Track 25.0 has data over index

Track 26.0 has data over index

Track 28.0 has data over index

Track 29.0 has data over index

Track 31.0 has data over index

Track 32.0 has data over index

Track 34.0 has data over index

Track 35.0 has data over index

Track 37.0 has data over index

Track 39.0 has data over index

Track 41.0 has data over index

Track 42.0 has data over index

Track 43.0 has data over index

Track 44.0 has data over index

Track 45.0 has data over index

Track 46.0 has data over index

Track 47.0 has data beyond index

Track 48.0 has data over index

Track 48.0 Sect 6 has invalid characters:  1 in intra gap

Track 50.0 Sect 7 has invalid characters:  1 in intra gap

Track 51.0 has data over index

Track 52.0 has data over index

Track 53.0 has data over index

Track 55.0 has data over index

Track 56.0 has data over index

Track 56.0 Sect 4 has invalid characters:  1 in intra gap

Track 57.0 has data over index

Track 58.0 has data over index

Track 59.0 has data over index

Track 61.0 has data over index

Track 62.0 has data over index

Track 63.0 has data over index

Track 65.0 has data over index

Track 66.0 has data over index

Track 67.0 has data over index

Track 67.0 Sect 7 has invalid characters:  1 in intra gap

Track 69.0 has data over index

Track 70.0 has data over index

Track 72.0 has data beyond index

Track 72.0 Sect 8 has invalid characters:  1 in intra gap

Track 73.0 has data over index

Track 74.0 has data over index

Track 74.0 Sect 9 has invalid characters:  1 in intra gap

Track 75.0 has data over index

Track 76.0 has ID field over index

Track 77.0 has data over index

Track 78.0 has data over index

Track 79.0 has data over index
Image
Swedish retro computer fair
http://www.retrogathering.se

AtariZoll
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Posts: 2978
Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:42 pm
Contact:

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby AtariZoll » Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:27 am

I noticed it too. But since it is regular FAT12 floppy, all it is irrelevant. I saw a lot of originals with similar 'anomalias' .
Real question is: why 2 game floppies are not same in that ?
Famous Schrodinger's cat hypothetical experiment says that cat is dead or alive until we open box and see condition of poor animal, which deserved better logic. Cat is always in some certain state - regardless from is observer able or not to see what the state is.

Francois424
Atarian
Atarian
Posts: 5
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:41 pm

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby Francois424 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:33 am

Thanks for that, but I hate pasti formats. (I still downloaded it, but it's HYPER SLOW to play with pasti as Phan3 was one of these games that had a gazillion disk accesses.

Yes problem still persists. I got 3 versions, one that is cracked and bugs out some of dongeons (missing treasures), the other has a display bug in combat, especially if you get caught sleeping. and the other I don't remember, but it was so bad I did not keep it.

I already had Phantasie 1 and 2 and they run really well... thanks nonetheless
Can I get a .ST format (not STX) of the Phantasie III original disks ?
:cheers:

PS: yes manual protection, which I still have at home from all that time... Not that I need it anymore as I played so much I hav 99% of the questions/answers burned into my skull, :lol:

User avatar
greatguy
Atari freak
Atari freak
Posts: 67
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:01 pm
Location: Sweden

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby greatguy » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:43 am

You can convert my STX images to ST in your emulator using any copyprogram and an empty ST-image. ;)
Image
Swedish retro computer fair
http://www.retrogathering.se

Francois424
Atarian
Atarian
Posts: 5
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:41 pm

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby Francois424 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:54 am

Errr.... what ?

Dont how to do that, I'm not that good with making image and/or transforming them...
sorry :(

User avatar
Mug UK
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 11289
Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:16 pm
Location: Stockport (UK)
Contact:

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby Mug UK » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:01 am

Mount a blank .ST image in Drive B (2 sides, 80 tracks, 10 sectors). Mount Pasti image in Drive A. Copy all the files from A: to B: then use your new .ST file.

Sent by my Note III
My main site: http://www.mug-uk.co.uk - slowly digging up the bits from my past (and re-working a few): Atari ST, Sega 8-bit (game hacks) and NDS (Music ripping guide).

I develop a free Word (for Windows) add-in that's available for Word 2007 upwards. It's a fix-it toolbox that will allow power Word users to fix document errors. You can find it at: http://www.mikestoolbox.co.uk

Francois424
Atarian
Atarian
Posts: 5
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:41 pm

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby Francois424 » Mon Jul 14, 2014 4:36 pm

Ok, Mug UK and GreatGuy, just giving you an update.

I managed to copy both disks into new images, which now run without Pasti.
I loaded the game up fine and will test for a little while to see if both main bugs I had are gone.

Will update soon. and Thank you for your help... may have took 6 years, but if this work will be most worth it.
:)

Francois424
Atarian
Atarian
Posts: 5
Joined: Thu Apr 24, 2008 5:41 pm

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby Francois424 » Wed Jul 16, 2014 5:34 am

Francois424 wrote:Ok, Mug UK and GreatGuy, just giving you an update.

I managed to copy both disks into new images, which now run without Pasti.
I loaded the game up fine and will test for a little while to see if both main bugs I had are gone.

Will update soon. and Thank you for your help... may have took 6 years, but if this work will be most worth it.
:)



Ok, I took the default (and sucky) party thru a part of the game to test it out thoroughly :
Bug #1 - Display error when caught sleeping (night encounter) -- FIXED !
Bug #2 - Full health and awake characters not able to do squat in combat -- FIXED !
Bug #3 - Missing/Altered Treasures in Dungeons -- FIXED !
Bug #4 - Dungeons not Saving/Reloading properly -- FIXED !

So far, all of the bugs I had noticed are GONE and everything is working like a Charm
HUGE thanks to everyone on the forum that didn't forget about me over the years.
I am one HAPPY dude right now :cheers:

User avatar
greatguy
Atari freak
Atari freak
Posts: 67
Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:01 pm
Location: Sweden

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby greatguy » Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:39 am

Francois424 wrote:
Francois424 wrote:Ok, Mug UK and GreatGuy, just giving you an update.

I managed to copy both disks into new images, which now run without Pasti.
I loaded the game up fine and will test for a little while to see if both main bugs I had are gone.

Will update soon. and Thank you for your help... may have took 6 years, but if this work will be most worth it.
:)



Ok, I took the default (and sucky) party thru a part of the game to test it out thoroughly :
Bug #1 - Display error when caught sleeping (night encounter) -- FIXED !
Bug #2 - Full health and awake characters not able to do squat in combat -- FIXED !
Bug #3 - Missing/Altered Treasures in Dungeons -- FIXED !
Bug #4 - Dungeons not Saving/Reloading properly -- FIXED !

So far, all of the bugs I had noticed are GONE and everything is working like a Charm
HUGE thanks to everyone on the forum that didn't forget about me over the years.
I am one HAPPY dude right now :cheers:

Just happy that I can contribute to the Atari comunity. And as a bonus I now know that my Pasti images are working correctly.
Image
Swedish retro computer fair
http://www.retrogathering.se

User avatar
Mug UK
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 11289
Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:16 pm
Location: Stockport (UK)
Contact:

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby Mug UK » Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:30 am

On the Climatics site is a collection of saved game hacks I did when I was learning GFA Basic. Phantasie III was one of the games I hacked so if anyone needs any help with the game, pay Climatics a visit :-)

Sent by my Note III
My main site: http://www.mug-uk.co.uk - slowly digging up the bits from my past (and re-working a few): Atari ST, Sega 8-bit (game hacks) and NDS (Music ripping guide).

I develop a free Word (for Windows) add-in that's available for Word 2007 upwards. It's a fix-it toolbox that will allow power Word users to fix document errors. You can find it at: http://www.mikestoolbox.co.uk

bandit
Captain Atari
Captain Atari
Posts: 271
Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2003 9:02 pm
Contact:

Re: Phantasie III -- The Wrath of Nikademus

Postby bandit » Fri Jul 18, 2014 11:40 am

Mug UK wrote:On the Climatics site is a collection of saved game hacks I did when I was learning GFA Basic. Phantasie III was one of the games I hacked so if anyone needs any help with the game, pay Climatics a visit :-)

Sent by my Note III


which is down:) until i'm back from holidays.. i'm very sorry.. only 1 more week.

cheers bandit


Social Media

     

Return to “Games - Requests”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests