AtariZoll wrote:So, thothy said that "just state it once in a polite fashion and then shut up" I guess 'shut up' is polite. And yes, this is good example where I have communication problem with SOME people. In polite fashion ? No, as I said I was angry. That site is not polite, Hatari team Windows treatment is not polite. They don't appreciate people's time. There are minimal standards when distributing some SW online, or wherever. Not indicating in which Win. version it is tested, on which versions should work is absolute abysmal. So, I communicated in my way further - explained it all. Because that is in some way also Hatari bug, so it was on topic. Then, what right thothy, or npoma. have to say me to stop posting there ? Is it polite?
AtariZoll wrote:Truth is that I would not push it so hard. but some answers, and overall reception of bug report was so bad, that I just needed to remind them some things - who worked on this lot of time, and that there were some really stupid and unexpected problems. But I sustained, and actually went very close to exact bug reason. Instead talking about my need for life and so on ...
AtariZoll wrote:In that 'some people' category belong people who feel offended by some critic, some advice in purpose to make it better - then they coming with diverse words: 'aggressive', 'not polite' and like . It is just that in many cases you must yell, that people listen to you.
Eero Tamminen wrote:I think it's obvious that Thomas meant everybody to have understood that the the indicated "antartica.no" auto-build didn't work for you, so you don't need to continue complaining on that particular subject. He could have expressed it more politely, but your insults ...
Rustynutt wrote:Can you imagine, on "other" forums, members get chastised for "reviving" an old thread. Hell, I thought that one of the main points of belonging to a forum
darklight wrote:Just my 2 cents worth here - AtariZoll you tend to write longer posts than usual - very long posts actually.
I understand that this isn't 100% your own fault, but perhaps think about breaking a long post out into a new thread - just like you've done here.
Frank B wrote:Surely the purpose of an autobuild is for continuous integration testing? Ie to make sure a patch hasn't broken the build process. If you want a stable release, wait for the proper public release.
AtariZoll wrote:It is not about that it did not work for me. How many times I need to repeat that I'm not only one Win 7 user ? If did not work for me, it did not work for hundreds of others. But you just repeat same and same - for how many people it worked
AtariZoll wrote:Serious programmers don't act like that, Oh, pardon, another insult.
AtariZoll wrote:There were 3 things which probably 'insulted' Pomarede and other Hatari people. I put it in quote, because insult is subjective thing - I mean I did not insult, you felt insulted.
First was about low efficiency of code. Yep, it is true. Especially in Win 7, from some reason.
AtariZoll wrote:So, back to that 'reckless' - you just can not continue same attitude with Windows releases as 10 years before, because things are pretty much different now. Now we have in use basically 4 versions - XP (less and less), 7, 8 and 10. And as may see there are many differences. So, I say again - it is not users who need to test it every time on what it works and how. If you are not able to test, then keep some statistic, publish on site, state there on what it works - that's absolute minimum. If Steven Seagal can do it alone ...
AtariZoll wrote:So 1: not too good idea to put untested stuff in such archive.
AtariZoll wrote:Win. we see some strange things - claiming that SDL2 is faster. My experience is just opposite.
AtariZoll wrote:Just it self means that lot of people is interested. We know that most of using Windows. So, I would reconsider whole attitude. Not getting feedback about not working in Win 7 ? There was actually one, in 2.0.0 thread, right before mine. But I guess that Win users just got tired from reading constantly that 'we don't use Windows ...'
AtariZoll wrote:Not getting feedback about not working in Win 7 ? There was actually one, in 2.0.0 thread, right before mine.
AtariZoll wrote:people 'dislike' to write bug, error reports. Especially for Hatari - will not repeat said about why ...
AtariZoll wrote:I think that here you are seriously wrong. How you know that worked for everybody else ?
AtariZoll wrote:Yes, I did lot of diverse tests, but you again come with ridiculous assumption (well, and 'insulting' too) - that I did not compare speeds (better said CPU load) with same Hatari versions. Of course I talked about worse CPU load of that SDL2 build in same OS, on same HW, same machine, so with everything same, than CPU load with 'official', more compatible SDL1 version (which on top of all has 60% shorter exec. file).
AtariZoll wrote:Do you realize how it even sounds bad to ask users to do so complicated things ?
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> I think an important difference is who discovers the bug and how they can react to it.
Yes. So much yes! If the reporter is polite and helpful, they get helped. If the reported is obnoxious and demanding, they get ignored. If the reporter is willing to perform a git-bisect, you give them step by step instructions and help them through it. If the reporter demands a fix, you give them a quote and request payment in advance (or just ignore them).
AtariZoll wrote:In this forum we have many people disliking Windows. That simple does not changes fact that it does it's job for ... instead some big number, just this: majority of computer users.
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