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Re: Consoles vs Computers

Postby Retrogamer_ST » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:38 am

DarkLord wrote:After reading this thread for some time, I would wish only one thing Retrogamer ST...

That you would qualify your statements with something like...In my opinion...

For example, you state in a post above that:

"But in the 80's and early 90's the best choice for the gamer was a console"

I beg to differ...that's a blanket statement and for some reason, I just don't
seem to fit under that blanket. :)

Now, I'm a gamer...Seriously. I've owned literally hundreds of games, spread across
the Atari 8bit, ST, Falcon, Jaguar, Lynx, a few Amiga games when I owned an A1000
and an A1200, quite a few Playstation 1, 2, and 3 games, etc, etc,...

So I'm a gamer...and *for me*, the best choice in the 80's was not a console, Especially
not the NES or Sega Genesis. The vast majority of my gaming friends at the time were
playing on computers, especially RPG's. My friends that did own consoles said they
bought them mostly for their kids. Not for themselves primarily (although I'm sure
they did play them of course. Heck, I still play console games with my kids).

So please just think that over, okey-dokey? :)

Thank you.


That was my personal opinion off course, i can only speak for myself.

But if you look at the sales even one of the consoles outsold all computers together quite easy. So it's no question where the market was.

RPG was huge on both NES and SNES with it's many japanese rpg games. Megadrive had some quite good rpg games too like Phantasy Star series, Seastalker, Light Crusader, Crusader of Centy, Shining Force series and some more real good rpg games. But THE rpg machine in the early 90's was SNES. What the americans once started, the japanese software houses took over and created the worlds best selling rpg games by far.

WHY THE SNES IS THE KING OF RPGS

The Super Nintendo may even surpass the PlayStation and PlayStation 2 in terms of role-playing goodness. Here's why.
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For the beat'em up fantast Neo Geo was THE console to own even if both SNES and Megadrive had some real good beat'em ups.

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Re: Consoles vs Computers

Postby DarkLord » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:58 am

Klapauzius wrote:
Retrogamer_ST wrote:Dragons Lair - 7 Diskettes
Dragons Lair II - 7 Diskettes
Dragons Lair III - 8 Diskettes


Actually it's:
Dragon's Lair - 4 Diskettes
Dragon's Lair II - 6 Diskettes
Dragon's Lair III - 7 Diskettes
Dragon's Lair IV - 6 Diskettes

Still way too many, of course... :)


Do the modified versions allow you to play it straight through from hard disk?

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Re: Consoles vs Computers

Postby Klapauzius » Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:59 am

DarkLord wrote:Do the modified versions allow you to play it straight through from hard disk?


There are ppera's version of the Readsyoft games. They run fine for me from HD.
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Re: Consoles vs Computers

Postby Retrogamer_ST » Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:45 am

Some real great chipmusic on NES. This composer must have been a chip music freak because the whole game is filled with more traditional chip music.

This (opening tune) makes me singing along (great tune). ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Rccbl_LQM

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Re: Consoles vs Computers

Postby wongck » Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:40 pm

Retrogamer_ST wrote:But if you look at the sales even one of the consoles outsold all computers together quite easy. So it's no question where the market was.

But why of course. it's a no brainer. That's the reason why Atari dropped everything to concentrate on the Jaq.
Now if that one Jaq console sales outsold all computers together that's another story. Same for 3DO.

Look at the iPhone which is the hottest handheld nowadays... people use it to call others?? Hell no, play games will be the #1 reason ( OK, may be #2, the #1 reason is status... may be for some).
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Re: Consoles vs Computers

Postby Retrogamer_ST » Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:00 pm

wongck wrote:
Retrogamer_ST wrote:But if you look at the sales even one of the consoles outsold all computers together quite easy. So it's no question where the market was.

But why of course. it's a no brainer. That's the reason why Atari dropped everything to concentrate on the Jaq.
Now if that one Jaq console sales outsold all computers together that's another story. Same for 3DO.

Look at the iPhone which is the hottest handheld nowadays... people use it to call others?? Hell no, play games will be the #1 reason ( OK, may be #2, the #1 reason is status... may be for some).


Agree, and

Computers in the 80's and 90's was mostly for the "more interested" (read geeks) while a console was aimed for just about everyone for quick and easy videogame entertainment.

Why buy a C64 and mess around with tapes while you could buy a NES and play a game in a few seconds. That's why the consoles outsold the computers. Besides that console games were often of higher quality if we compare the same games.

Today computers is aimed for the masses and works very different.

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Re: Consoles vs Computers

Postby nativ » Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:48 pm

Sounds like even more reason to buy an 8 bit Atari computer with a cartridge port! :D /|\
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Re: Consoles vs Computers

Postby bullis1 » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:03 pm

Playing cards or dominoes alone outsold consoles and computers combined in the 80s and 90s. The true retro gaming machines!
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Re: Consoles vs Computers

Postby Retrogamer_ST » Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:11 pm

bullis1 wrote:Playing cards or dominoes alone outsold consoles and computers combined in the 80s and 90s. The true retro gaming machines!


Monopoly, Yatzee, Finance, Othello, Chess, Poker, Crazy Eights...

That's the real retro

nativ wrote:Sounds like even more reason to buy an 8 bit Atari computer with a cartridge port! :D /|\


If your interested, yes. I was an computer fan myself at that time while most people didn't know what a computer was. Today i'm not so much computer freak and deals with many different things even if i use my computer for different kind of work.

Life is so much more then just computers. ;)

To quote myself...

Some real great chipmusic on NES. This composer must have been a chip music freak because the whole game is filled with more traditional chip music.

This (opening tune) makes me singing along (great tune). ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Rccbl_LQM


Aha, the name "Follin" explains a lot...

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Re: Consoles vs Computers

Postby wongck » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:21 am

bullis1 wrote:Playing cards or dominoes alone outsold consoles and computers combined in the 80s and 90s. The true retro gaming machines!


Yea!! Monopoly is my favorite. At my peak, I can remember all the price you have to pay on landing on a property. Absolutely useless information to memorise. :lol: :lol:
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Consoles vs Computers

Postby CoolCoyote » Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:55 pm

I hate Monopoly
You lost your last friends by playing with.
Money and friends, not the right choice:)

@retrogamer_st:
I was talking about nes version of dragon's lair where you died by be hurting by a small stone...
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Re: Consoles vs Computers

Postby wongck » Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:22 pm

CoolCoyote wrote:I hate Monopoly
You lost your last friends by playing with.
Money and friends, not the right choice:)


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Re: Consoles vs Computers

Postby Retrogamer_ST » Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:21 pm

After watching plenty of longplays it's quite easy to see that the consoles was superior to the computers in terms of graphics and sound. The first released games for Megadrive was pretty lame but when they learned how to use the power of Segas 16 bit machine the games looked truly awesome. When watching "The Adventures of Batman and Robin" for exemple it's like watching a 32 bit console at times. An extremly impressive showcase of what Megadrive was capable of and lightyears from anything that the 16 bit computers could display.

And even if ST and Amiga could display 3D vectors better it was pretty lame to how it should look and move when the right hardware was used. That type of graphics became useable first when the 32 bit machines arrived. For gaming in the 80's and 90's a games console was a far better choice. Just one of the most popular consoles outsold all computers together by far, which says a lot.

Novadays it's not about technical limits, using the right powerful hardware can make a computer outclass any console.


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