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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby Retrogamer_ST » Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:23 am

Many games found in the PD libraries was made using 3D Construction Kit, S.E.U.C.K and S.T.A.C, some of them real good.

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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby DarkLord » Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:18 am

Retrogamer_ST wrote:Many games found in the PD libraries was made using 3D Construction Kit, S.E.U.C.K and S.T.A.C, some of them real good.


There were actually some attempts at improvements done just (fairly) recently on S.T.A.C. :

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17164

Here's a small list of games from Atarimania:

http://www.atarimania.com/screenshots_g ... 1_S_G.html
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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby Dio » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:27 am

nativ wrote:Is this your game Dio? 8)

Mine and a friend's, we did it over a few years while at university.

I have a complete Making Of that I knocked up earlier this year that I hope will be on a Starball website with all the various versions of the game (including a Windows port I knocked up in a few days earlier this year - it looks particularly excellent on a portrait monitor) at some point.

It was five years too late really - it would have been excellent commercial software in 88/89 - but I can't complain, it was the boot in the door that has put me in my excellent job 20 years later.

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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby nativ » Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:29 pm

@ Dio ! Kool! Windows port eh? With better graphics? Hmm Falcon version using old engine and new gfx?

I guess you are showing pcee owners what they missed out on! :)

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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby Retrogamer_ST » Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:33 pm

DarkLord wrote:
Retrogamer_ST wrote:Many games found in the PD libraries was made using 3D Construction Kit, S.E.U.C.K and S.T.A.C, some of them real good.


There were actually some attempts at improvements done just (fairly) recently on S.T.A.C. :

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17164

Here's a small list of games from Atarimania:

http://www.atarimania.com/screenshots_g ... 1_S_G.html


Thanks for the links. :)

Some of the adventures in the PD libraries was pretty good and i liked the ones made using Sierras adventure engine (AGI), like Tex McPhilip, Acidopolis etc.

Want to try them yourself?
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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby Dio » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:23 pm

nativ wrote:@ Dio ! Kool! Windows port eh? With better graphics? Hmm Falcon version using old engine and new gfx?

I guess you are showing pcee owners what they missed out on! :)

It's mostly a port of the PC version, which had enhancements over even the Falcon version (it was upgraded to 8-bit colour, had multiball support, an extra bonus screen 'Doomball' and music). I'm also trying to work out the table language enough to re-add the second extra 'lost' bonus screen (the Pool Table) that was pulled out of the PC version because the publisher wanted us to take the concept and extend it into a full extra game.

There's no actual bitmap improvements beyond the change for 256-colours, but the ability to see very nearly the entire main table at once is pretty funky, especially on a portrait monitor.

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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby nativ » Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:07 pm

8O There is a Falcon version!!! I thought it was myth!!! perhaps I am dreaming! is this available somewhere? or is the original able to detect Falcons and upgrade itself?

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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby DarkLord » Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:43 pm

Retrogamer_ST wrote:Want to try them yourself?


Grabbed it, thanks for the link!
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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby Retrogamer_ST » Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:35 pm

To see what i mean about a shame that Donkey Island wasn't released, try it yourself. Impressive, and could have been a top notch adventure.
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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby Shredder11 » Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:43 pm

Dio wrote:
nativ wrote:Is this your game Dio? 8)

Mine and a friend's, we did it over a few years while at university.

I have a complete Making Of that I knocked up earlier this year that I hope will be on a Starball website with all the various versions of the game (including a Windows port I knocked up in a few days earlier this year - it looks particularly excellent on a portrait monitor) at some point.

It was five years too late really - it would have been excellent commercial software in 88/89 - but I can't complain, it was the boot in the door that has put me in my excellent job 20 years later.


Starball was responsible for getting me fully into my STE in a big way, and the ST in general. I had followed the ST since it came out in the 1980s and also since I got my STE in 1994. However in 1999 Starball somehow was the one that pulled me away from Microsoft PCs, and impressed me so much that I simply HAD to discover more about the Atari. I had previously only thought of it as a music sequencer and games machine; yes I know Starball is a game but I never knew my humble STE was so capable! So a big thank you to you and your friend who created it, and I look forward to seeing your Starball website! :cheers:

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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby Dio » Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:03 pm

nativ wrote:8O There is a Falcon version!!! I thought it was myth!!! perhaps I am dreaming! is this available somewhere? or is the original able to detect Falcons and upgrade itself?

It's all built-in. The ball and table animate at 50fps on the Falcon, and it will play soundtracker modules in the background albeit that none are supplied. The non-ball sprites are still limited to 25fps because that's the granularity of the movement patterns.

Shredder11 wrote: So a big thank you to you and your friend who created it, and I look forward to seeing your Starball website!

It's always wonderful to hear things like this - thanks.

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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby Retrogamer_ST » Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:29 pm

<Irony> - Starball destroyed my whole life...it all started with Starball.

I was on my way home from work (long life story follows, bla bla bla)

And THEN my house burnt down and i lost my job thanks to Starball. :( <End Irony> ;) :D

Jokes aside, Starball was one of the greatest PD efforts, well done Dio. :)

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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby Retrogamer_ST » Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:04 pm

Speaking of 3 sound channels and chip music.

Want to see how the channels work in realtime? The demo way?

Then download my attachment, boot and enter the folder "Demo" and start David.tos.

At the main screen press space to enter the music screen. To switch song just use any of the keys on the keyboard. (the numbers and the special symbols keys work too).

This should give you a good hint of how the sound channels work on Atari ST. ;)

TIp: Use the "," key for a good demo of how the sound channel works.
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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby dma » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:48 pm

Wow, Starball author on the board, that's great!
Many thanks for this great game Dio, i had hours of fun on it as well.

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Postby DarkLord » Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:05 pm

The question is, who didn't have fun with it? Far fewer answers methinks. :)
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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby Zap » Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:53 am

Hero. Absolutely amazing early ST RPG.

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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby AtariCrypt » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:52 pm

Fascinating thread. My vote goes to "Hector vs The Mutant Vampire Tomatoes From Hell".
And what a great title too!! :D

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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby Eero Tamminen » Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:53 pm

My favorite "PD" games list is quite boring, nothing very original...

ST games:
- Ballerburg (Atari original artillery game)
- Bellum (amazingly playable for such a small game)
- Cinko (really good version of Renju board game; not sure whether it's PD, shareware or commercial, it was on one of Antic disks)
- Colorclash (puzzle game with chameleons)
- Columns (mono coloris)
- Daleks
- Filler (my Atari version of Flashplayer game)
- Grav2 (cave flying)
- Hacman II (pacman)
- Klatrix (STOS coloris)
- Invaders (mono)
- Megaroids (Asteroids, especially good in mono)
- Mem (color memory game)
- Mr Dice (pattern matching game)
- Patience (GEM card solitaire)
- Rockfall (boulderdash/puzzle game)
- Super breakout (mono breakout)
- Starball (pinball)
- ST Concentration (GEM memory game)
- Tank (small 2 player artillery game)
- Tautology II (really nice Falcon Mahjong)
- Teserae (demo-style tetris)

(Memory games are fun if played with small children.)

Couple of them are here:
- with sources: http://tammat.mbnet.fi/hatari/programs.shtml
- as Debian packages (you can extract them with "ar x <file>; tar xvf data.tar.gz"): http://tammat.mbnet.fi/hatari/games.shtml

Favorite ones for STE:
- Dynabusters+ (Bomberman)
- Wolf3d (works also on ST, but sound quality in Wolfenstein really benefits from DMA)

Favorite ones for TT are open source by Warwick Allison:
- AmiGo (GEM version of GO)
- NetHack GEM version (for first 2 years the only GUI version of NetHack on any platform)
(They work also on ST/mono, but AmiGo benefits from speed and Nethack from larger screen & colors)

Favorite Falcon "PD" games are somewhat newer:
- BadMood (Doom)
- Chorensha (Shooter)
- Double Bobble 2000 (Bubble Bobble)
- Tautology 2 (Mahjong)

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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby christos » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:15 am

I have a recent find that impressed me much. Critical mass.
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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby Atari030 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:20 pm

I used to play Monopoly when I was bored. Loved that game, 1985 apparently and written in GFA basic. Pretty sure it ran on everything straight off the HDD. Used to sucker me right in.

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Postby DarkLord » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:30 pm

Trying to remember the name of a shooter that I liked a lot... "Holocaust"
maybe?
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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby AtariCrypt » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:35 pm

DarkLord wrote:Trying to remember the name of a shooter that I liked a lot... "Holocaust" maybe?


This one? https://youtu.be/B7950ubmH4A
Looks fun! :)

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Postby DarkLord » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:20 pm

Yep, that's it! :)
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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby AtariCrypt » Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:18 pm

lol it looks great, i'll try that :D

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Re: Forgotten real good PD games

Postby mlynn1974 » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:26 am

Grandad and the Quest for the Holy Vest and Grandad 2: In Search Of Sandwiches were excellent.
I wish the author (Ian Scott) would re-release them.

Some graphics adventures like Grandad (and The Magic Knight games on the Spectrum I guess) had some puzzles that were so obscure you couldn't finish the game, but what an achievement for STOS. Lovely graphics.
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