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There are tons of BEST of threads, how about the WORST ST games?

Postby Hazzardus » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:35 am

Everyone likes to talk about the best ST classic games, but no-one ever mentions the ones to avoid. Only a bit of fun, but my top 5 would be:

1. Line Of Fire - One of the worst ports ever, there was probably some way this game could have worked on non superscaler hardware, but this port is terrible. It runs between 4-6fps and is so unfair it's basically unplayable.

2. Edd the Duck - One of the most frustrating platformers I've had the displeasure to play. Jump onto the platform above that you can't see? - nope, there's an offscreen enemy that will 9 times out of 10 kill you instantly.

3. Streetfighter - The arcade game wasn't exactly a classic, but the ST port is the worst example of a button mashing "fighting game" I've ever played.

4. Gary Lineker's Soccer Skills - Like football games? Loved Kick Off and Sensible Soccer? Well, forget that. how about a joystick breaking waggler where you do pushups, squats and lift weights. There's no actual football in this game.

5. Joe Blade - This game is mind numbingly boring, and the jump mechanics will end up killing you within seconds when you land on an enemy even if you didn't mean to jump.

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Re: There are tons of BEST of threads, how about the WORST ST games?

Postby AtariZoll » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:02 pm

There are hundreds of much much worse games than those you listed.
And no, we don't need worst game lists. They just don't deserve our time. Why talk about crap, when there is plenty of quality games barely known.
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Re: There are tons of BEST of threads, how about the WORST ST games?

Postby Hazzardus » Sun Aug 13, 2017 12:38 pm

AtariZoll wrote:There are hundreds of much much worse games than those you listed.
And no, we don't need worst game lists. They just don't deserve our time. Why talk about crap, when there is plenty of quality games barely known.


OK. I respect your opinion. Was just having a bit of fun.

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Re: There are tons of BEST of threads, how about the WORST ST games?

Postby Steven Seagal » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:10 pm

Hazzardus wrote:Was just having a bit of fun.


And fun is the idea, like you said, there are enough threads for best or underappreciated games.
There are probably "worst games" threads too.

Some bad games (IMO):

- Thai Boxing

- Lands of Havoc (yet by Steve Bak)

- Super Tennis

- Missions en Rafale

-Roadwars
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Postby sarnau » Sun Aug 13, 2017 1:12 pm

I have to nominate Street Gang...

I remember working on it. It has my copy protection, but I also helped with QA. I've actually played through all levels: the "trick" is to be passive and not e.g. punch people in wheelchairs – yep, that was actually a thing. The performance of the game was also bad (the sprites where just large enough to not fit into word boundaries).

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Re: There are tons of BEST of threads, how about the WORST ST games?

Postby penguin » Sun Aug 13, 2017 3:31 pm

- Yolanda (can't believe it was made by Steve Bak)

- Thunder Cats
Pretty graphics, but no level design.

- Circus Games
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Postby Eero Tamminen » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:07 pm

I guess this is meant only for commercial games, not free/hobby ones.

Ones that were bought and which greatly disappointed compared to one's expectations, so much that one still vividly remembers them?

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Postby wongck » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:36 pm

Truly depends on one's taste.
For me one of the worst game was the one with all the HYPE about having SEVERAL ( 6 or 8 ) PARALLEL moving background of a beast walking forward and bashing up some stuff along the way. I cannot really remember the name actually.
I am sure many of you would because of the hype it created.... and also was on the AMIGA ... so go figure that both computer camps was like "ours is better than yours" mud fights.
Sure it was cool for about 2 mins after the eye candy wares off and then it was like "yeah another of those mindless bashing something up"

Never like Bash them up.
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Postby mlynn1974 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:37 pm

Eventhough the ST was a great computer, some games weren't ported as well as they should have been.
Sometimes the collision detection wasn't spot on, or the scrolling or the general playability.
This must have been due to tight deadlines or just not knowing how to use the hardware to its full abilities.

1. Renegade - Superbly playable on the Speccy, very poor on the ST.
But I can't think of any truly awful games on the ST!

A more interesting question is: Which games should have been converted to the ST, but weren't (there might already be a thread for this)?
My nominations:
1. Minder (By Don Priestly)
2. Wec Le Mans
3. Batman (Jon Ritman\Bernie Drummond)
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Re: There are tons of BEST of threads, how about the WORST ST games?

Postby wongck » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:42 pm

Steven Seagal wrote:
And fun is the idea, like you said, there are enough threads for best or underappreciated games.
There are probably "worst games" threads too.

Some bad games (IMO):

- Thai Boxing

- Lands of Havoc (yet by Steve Bak)

- Super Tennis

- Missions en Rafale

-Roadwars


True to say it really depends on taste.
One of my friend was a tennis nut... and he loves all tennis ganes.
when I visit him, he will be using a tennis game on his ST.
So I think for him "super tennis" would be indeed super for him.... not worst.
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Postby siriushardware » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:47 pm

'Best never converted games' really needs to have its own new thread as it is too off topic for this thread - maybe the mods will be kind enough to split this off into a new one?

I would say any of the classic Spectrum games by Ultimate - Play The Game - but most especially Atic Atac, Sabre Wulf, Knight Lore and Alien 8.

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Postby mlynn1974 » Sun Aug 13, 2017 11:55 pm

Best never converted games is really this topic:
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Postby Atari030 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:07 am

Narco Police? Great idea, crud execution. I wonder how it would run at 16mhz on the MegaSTE?

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Postby ICS » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:43 am

"Battle Probe" for me, is the worst commercial game on ST.

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Postby Cogweasel » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:56 am

Ah yes, a few comes to mind right off the bat:

- ST Protector: Some sort of Defender clone I think, or maybe I am misremembering. Was a pretty early game, but I remember being utterly disappointed with both game play and graphics.

- Screaming Wings: Cool Aliens samples, but everything else was absolute and utter poo!

- Floyd the Droid: Very peculiar and pointless game, remember cool sampled sound effects but I think that was its only redeeming trait.

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Postby Cogweasel » Mon Aug 14, 2017 11:58 am

Steven Seagal wrote:- Lands of Havoc (yet by Steve Bak)


I think this was one of the first released commercial games for the ST, if not the first. I think Steve coded it in basic and he later admitted that he wasn't particularly proud of it :D

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Postby AtariZoll » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:01 pm

This is worst ever thread in this forum.
Worst as much as most of mentioned games here. Really, should not use that word just like that, just because some game is poorly made. Don't be afraid, there are always many even worse :mrgreen:
I mean, if this would be title of some news article, I would not complain - exaggeration is mandatory today in it. Saying 'very bad game(s)' is what is much more proper. Some mentioned ones are actually pretty well playable. Well, just my opinion. Some here surely know it better :lol:
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Postby wongck » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:25 pm

My guess is someone like Pp can improve a game by giving it stereo music and better sound, smoother game play etc making the game better overall.
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Postby AtariZoll » Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:25 pm

wongck wrote:My guess is someone like Pp can improve a game by giving it stereo music and better sound, smoother game play etc making the game better overall.

You missing it completely. If some game is so bad, adding music will change not much. Smoother gameplay is sometimes relative easy, and sometimes you would need to rewrite it completely from start. But if you have some receipt for life duration of 1100 years, I can think about improving all bad ST games :D
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Postby wongck » Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:32 pm

No, some people missed it completely by reading what they want to read.
I did not write ALL games.... I wrote a game.
I don't think anyone can improve ALL bad ST games even if that person has several lifetime.
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Postby wongck » Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:45 pm

let it be clear that making a game better via some magical re-coding just makes it better than before it got that magic.
It still does not mean that it gets pulled out of the shitty games bucket.

To me... mindless bashing... is still mindless bashing even if the get more colours or smoother graphics or nicer music than the Ami version. So that still in the same old bucket.
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Re: There are tons of BEST of threads, how about the WORST ST games?

Postby X3peri_MENTaL » Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:49 pm

Karting Grand Prix... possibly the worst apology for a game that ever existed. Think 'Supersprint' but drained of any fun and playability. ATROCIOUS!

...20 odd plus years later and the thought of laying out a fiver for this still hurts... and I still have it :lol:

Btw, Joe Blade and Edd the Duck were not that bad IMHO.

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Postby AtariZoll » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:17 pm

wongck wrote:No, some people missed it completely by reading what they want to read.
I did not write ALL games.... I wrote a game.
I don't think anyone can improve ALL bad ST games even if that person has several lifetime.

I meant that adding music will not make bad game good - and that is clear in my text. Actually, I would never waste time to add something to crap game. What did so far were excellent to very good games.
Improving: Atari Uridium could be also considered as "worst" by criterias here. It is very unplayable in original. It is just that original good C64 game was not converted properly on much more powerful machine. So, maybe to expand it - not just bad games, but bad conversions.
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Re: There are tons of BEST of threads, how about the WORST ST games?

Postby leech » Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:01 pm

I played a bit of Altered Beast last night on my Falcon. It's pretty terrible. It looks fantastic, but the controls are absolutely terrible, and it was hard as hell. It didn't seem like it was running ultrafast, but if I recall it normally ran pretty slow on the ST.

When I think of worst games ever made though, I think of Top Gun on the Atari 8-bit where you could fly around and shoot, but you had unlimited bullets, and you eventually just ran out of fuel and died because there was no way to refuel...

I don't really recall any absolutely terrible ST games though.

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Postby farvardin » Mon Aug 14, 2017 9:27 pm

wow, nobody mentioned yet "Shadow of the Beast" on ST. One of the best game on Amiga, one of the worst on Atari ST: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNGXuQKSjhI


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