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Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:19 pm
by Simie

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:41 pm
by Simie
Atari had shipped approximately 13,000 to 14,000 Falcon030 systems in Europe, about 40% (5200-5600) of that in Germany

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:42 pm
by Simie
Atari France S.A. had sold some 6,000 Falcon030 computers and nearly another 6,000 STe computers in 1993.

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:47 pm
by Simie

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 11:48 pm
by Simie
I do know how accurate all this infomation is, but it is an interesting read.

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:19 pm
by Greyfox™
Some great reading here..but it would need some research to its factual properties by either folk worked within that time frame with Atari to confirm the facts. As this could be something the likes of the laird would go around making up.

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:53 pm
by Simie
I reckon that you are correct as any other info from any other website might be based on this and so proves nothing.

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:38 pm
by Zippy
Very interesting, thanks!

I was hoping for details on when the ST "Super pack" was released in the UK but unfortunately it wasn't mentioned, although the "Summer pack" was.

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:15 pm
by Simie
If i remember correctly the superpack came with the STFM machines bcause there was a business pack that was also offered at the same time.

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:20 pm
by Simie
This a page giving access to Atari patents http://www.jmargolin.com/patents/atpats.htm

If C-Lab bought the rights from Atari, to the Falcon then does that mean that Apple now own the rights to the Falcon ?
Correct me if I am wrong!

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:24 pm
by Simie
Apple Press Release over the purchase of Emagic
https://www.apple.com/uk/newsroom/2002/ ... es-Emagic/

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:19 pm
by Zippy
Simie wrote:If i remember correctly the superpack came with the STFM machines


Yes, I got my 520STFM with the Superpack around spring/summer '88 but was hoping to find out the exact dates that the Superpack was available, like they mentioned that the Summerpack was available from April-September '87.

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:31 pm
by Simie
I purchased a 1040stfm with the business pack whilst a mate got a 520stfm with the Superpack.

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 8:44 pm
by Simie
https://www.thoughtco.com/history-of-atari-1991225

In 1994, Sega game systems invested $40 million in Atari in exchange for all patent rights.

So Sega could have developed TOS and redeveloped the Falcon, what happens in the USA to patents rights if a company is purchased or goes into liquidation?

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:39 pm
by Simie

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:17 pm
by 1st1
Simie wrote:This a page giving access to Atari patents http://www.jmargolin.com/patents/atpats.htm

If C-Lab bought the rights from Atari, to the Falcon then does that mean that Apple now own the rights to the Falcon ?
Correct me if I am wrong!


That would be horrible, a nightmare! huargh!

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:33 pm
by Simie
If C-Lab became Emagic then this makes sense that Apple now own the patents to the Atari Falcon 030. This must be true if C-Lab purchased the rights from Atari for the Falcon. According to history Apple bought everything from Emagic and I have not found yet anywhere that states that it was made under licence.

This also means that Hasbro owned to rights to the other Atari computers, but why didn't they release it into the public domain like the Jaguar?

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:36 pm
by Simie
CUPERTINO, California and Hamburg, Germany - July 1st, 2002
Apple today announced it has acquired Emagic

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:11 pm
by penguin
Simie wrote:If C-Lab became Emagic then this makes sense that Apple now own the patents to the Atari Falcon 030. This must be true if C-Lab purchased the rights from Atari for the Falcon. According to history Apple bought everything from Emagic and I have not found yet anywhere that states that it was made under licence.

This also means that Hasbro owned to rights to the other Atari computers, but why didn't they release it into the public domain like the Jaguar?


By the time C-Lab bought the rights to produce more Falcons, Emagic was already a separate company. Details of the contract are not public, so it might've been just a licensing deal similar to the one that gave Milan Computer the rights to release modified versions of TOS 4.x.

Bob Gleadow told ST-Computer in an interview that Atari had sold 13000-14000 Falcons so far (http://stcarchiv.de/stc1993/10/intervie ... ob-gleadow).

Why Hasbro didn't release the Atari computers as "public domain"? They always were open platforms - no one had to pay Atari/Hasbro royalties for ST software. It's a pitty that Hasbro Interactive didn't survive longer - they might've released all rights to TOS, especially after PC-GEM was released into public domain...

I think you're drawing a lot of wrong conclusions here. Just because Atari had deals with C-Lab and Sega doesn't mean they sold all their patents or IP to said companies. The Sega deal was made to settle a lawsuit, Sega was not interested in Atari's software or hardware business, they had many capable engineers and game developers.

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:55 pm
by Simie
Here is the original article that you are referring too!

https://translate.google.co.uk/translat ... rev=search

If I remember it was published either in ST User or ST Format about Sega, the lawsuit was about reverse engineering the plaintif's game cartridges as to create their own compatible cartridges.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=_rv ... ow&f=false

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:38 pm
by Simie
http://tweakheadz.com/history-of-notator-and-logic3/
C-Lab's programmers formed a new company called Emagic after what appeared to be a falling out at C-Lab

This does not make sense as the rights to Notator belonged to C-Lab so even if the programmers left unless they bought the rights the rights or licenced it C-Lab would have still been running as a company.

They were employed to write Notator etc so the copyright belongs to their employer. Now they could have bought the company out taking over ownership of everything.

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:44 pm
by Simie
This article states that C-Lab produced the Falcon under Licence
https://translate.googleusercontent.com ... 1Tms46QXUA

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:48 pm
by Simie
In 1995, the music company C-Lab bought the rights to the Falcon hardware design and began producing their own versions
https://atarimuseum.nl/atari-falcon/

Which info is correct?

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:53 pm
by Simie
https://mikrosk.github.io/clockpatch/history.html
Number of Atari Falcons manufactured and PCB revisions

Re: Read about the Atari company history

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:08 am
by Atari030
Sega got done for copying/using the 9 pin digital joystick ports. My understanding is Sega paid as a settlement. It didn't give them any patents, just rights to use their technology, retrospectively and in the future. That 40 mill was then rolled into JTS to produce 3.5" and 3" hard drives. 3" drives were supposed to be developed for budget laptop developers as a cheaper solution to the more expensive 2.5" drives of the day.

I had a JTS 420MB 3.5" HDD. It was crap.I think they were trying to hit the bottom of a market that was already getting cheaper by the day, and once those eggs were all safely in that one basket.....

There was also talk of suing Commodore. But, Commodore was already stuffed anyway, by then. The Nintendo anti trust thing, iirc, was Nintendo were accused of subsidising consoles in one region to make another region cheaper. Something like that. I'm not convinced that article was entirely accurate. I seem to remember Atari merged with JTS, they wern't acquired. They used that 40 mill for the merger. They became JTS Atari.