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Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:04 pm
by EvilFranky
Hi chaps,

Just been notified that the Nostalgia Nerd is releasing a video about the Atari Falcon at 9pm UK time if anyone is interested:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBTXGgb__y

His videos are normally pretty good and generally historically accurate :cheers:

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:01 am
by Estrayk
I saw it and it is very very good. Thx Evil.

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:39 am
by stormy

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:00 pm
by czietz
Interesting to see the schematics of the Atari Panther Shifter from my website as background imagery in the segment of the video talking about the (original) Sparrow... :-)

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:16 pm
by christos
I think I saw some footage from my video of Robinson's Requiem on a ct63 ;)

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 10:14 pm
by calimero
Wow! 350 comments on YouTube video in one day and 24.000 views!!!

I like Nostalgia Nerd videos; they are zillion times better than videos from Kim Justice. Nostalgia Nerd is rarely (a little bit) "off"

e.g.: "TT was not taken seriously as professional machine" (@4:15) ...how to comment such statement? - :D :D

And what is bother me the most, is that Nostalgia Nerd always put"Games first" @11:50 @31:10 (like that all about home computers was games... and only games. For me, and I believe many ST users, ST was business machine also.)...
...but everything is crystal clear at @15:40: "Atari Germany wanted Falcon as business machine and Atari UK want Falcon as gaming machine". As Nostalgia Nerd is Englishman, it is no wonder that he also put "games first" :D

I wonder how much Atari ST and TT was sold in Germany and how many was sold in UK?
I believe that TT was sold in UK: 0.
I also believe that TTs were sold in Germany, France... and other countries were Atari computers was used as business machine.

...
Otherwise very, very good compilation of different resources about Atari Falcon / Sparrow development!!!

Nostalgia Nerd did re-tell our writings here, on forum, but he also add new information like @8:15 where you can read, from Atari ST User #70, that Atari Texas R&D work on Falcon, improved TT! Just like czietz speculated!


Nice, nice video!

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:29 am
by mikro
calimero wrote:he also add new information like @8:15 where you can read, from Atari ST User #70, that Atari Texas R&D work on Falcon, improved TT! Just like czietz speculated!

I posted a scan from the magazine in the very same thread. I guess that was his source, too.

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:30 am
by calimero
^
I was looking for it but somehow I miss it... :)
so he made nice talk video about infos that we gather here :)

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:20 pm
by stormy
I was really happy because a while ago I e-mailed him about helping out with the Falcon vid, so he contacted me to give me the opportunity to fact check some stuff. Got my name in the credits :)

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:42 pm
by calimero
I just got replay from Atari users that worked for "bell and Howell". They used Atari Mega2 and Atari Falcon to control envelope inserting machines that cost $400.000 !!!

Here is his comment (unfortunate Google assholes did not enable links (so-called "permalink") to comments on Youtube):

herbertmathews

"I worked for Bell and Howell in the Inserting division I was tech support for the inserter software, we used mega2s and later falcon 030s to control the inserting systems, they still have brand new 030s in stock but they are not cheap.

Inserters are machines that put documents automatically into envelopes, search for "bell and Howell mailstar500" to give you some idea. Yes it ran inhouse software called crt2 it was standard until about 1997 when, due to Atari going out of business we switched to a pc, There are many old B+H inserters out in the field so the falcons are kept for supporting any old systems that were not upgraded, the equipment is not cheap with may units costing $400,000 and up. They are extremely well made and can last 50 years or more with good maintenance. The Atari computers were extremely reliable, many of the systems they were on worked 7x24 and we had very few problems with them."

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Very nice info :)

btw
I am trying to find source of claim that some European news agency (like AP, but I am not sure) had 30.000 Atari ST... I read this info sometime ago but I can not find it :(

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:59 pm
by stormy
calimero, you should use a comma in between number figures like $400,000. Just so you know.

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:36 pm
by christos
mzry wrote:calimero, you should use a comma in between number figures like $400,000. Just so you know.


That's 400 in Greece and I imagine in lots of places. Did you know in Cobol you could actually set it?

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:02 pm
by dhedberg
Yep. A lot of European countries use a comma for the decimal point.

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:58 pm
by 1st1
Interestingly that video shows a working Sparrow with TOS 2.07 at about 14:40. As the video quality of that scene is quite good I expect that video is not old. Wow!

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:37 pm
by penguin
Sadly, computers are reduced to game machines especially in nostalgia videos. If you get your information only through YouTube, you'll just get the impression that the ST was a lesser Amiga.

The TT was sold in the UK, so there must be some that were purchased... but obviously it sold better in Germany, where it was heavily advertised (by Atari's standards ;)). The STE on the other hand - Atari Germany couldn't care less... no exciting game bundle and the print ads showed the STE with the old game Test Drive.

I think that ST, TT and Falcon remained long in use especially for specialized business applications that don't follow a specific upgrade cycle. Atari Germany released a software catalogue that was full with applications (in 1987!) that never received media coverage because they were so niche and specific. Some use cases were reported, like Nobel prize winners using the ST or the European Space Agency which also used Ataris in some capacity.

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:39 am
by czietz
1st1 wrote:Interestingly that video shows a working Sparrow with TOS 2.07 at about 14:40. As the video quality of that scene is quite good I expect that video is not old. Wow!


Look here: viewtopic.php?f=33&t=32073&p=351446#p351440. mikro has two working Sparrows.

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:42 am
by 1st1
I melt down.... Image

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:51 am
by calimero
Yes, I am from Serbia so coma is separating decimal symbol here... btw maybe forum software should take care of displaying properly decimal symbol based on user geo-location? :D

anyway,
I completely agree with Penguin-e!
If you look at https://www.atariuptodate.de/en/office/ there are bunch of specialized software.
If you look at Amiga users, I get felling that Amiga had nothing except games, nothing that can compare to Signum, STad, DynaCADD, Technobox, STeve, ProText (Germany), Papyrus, Calamus, LDW PowerCalc...

In attachment: ~ Atari Corp. donate 30.000DM for election in West Germany to analyses and gather data from election and to give them ASAP to ZDF (TV) in day of election. After election, computers will be donate to university.
It is Mannheim Institute that for years works for ZDF and they use Atari computer exclusively.

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:58 am
by mikro
To contribute to the off-topic spin-off :), I get mzry - he wasn't that concerned about seeing 400 000 without comma (EU standard) but more of 400.000 with dot which is, at least in Australia, denotation meant to represent 400 point zero zero zero.

Is it really common (or at least not odd) to represent 400.000 as four hundred thousands? As far as (Czecho)Slovakia goes, can't really say it is.

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:41 pm
by Omikronman
Nice Video. Can watch old stories about classic computers all day! :)

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:26 pm
by penguin
calimero wrote:anyway,
I completely agree with Penguin-e!
If you look at https://www.atariuptodate.de/en/office/ there are bunch of specialized software.
If you look at Amiga users, I get felling that Amiga had nothing except games, nothing that can compare to Signum, STad, DynaCADD, Technobox, STeve, ProText (Germany), Papyrus, Calamus, LDW PowerCalc...


DynaCADD was available for the Amiga ;) Paint, animation and music software were obviously also quite good on the Commodore.
But Signum and Calamus were true system sellers.

About specialized software on the UTD - I only added a fraction of the stuff that's in the book. Of course there's also software that was never released publicly like this software/hardware combo developed by scientists who used the ST to count photons: http://www.stcarchiv.de/stc1992/06/atar ... t-photonen

Re: Nostalgia Nerd - Atari Falcon video

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:48 pm
by christos
penguin wrote:
calimero wrote:anyway,
I completely agree with Penguin-e!
If you look at https://www.atariuptodate.de/en/office/ there are bunch of specialized software.
If you look at Amiga users, I get felling that Amiga had nothing except games, nothing that can compare to Signum, STad, DynaCADD, Technobox, STeve, ProText (Germany), Papyrus, Calamus, LDW PowerCalc...


DynaCADD was available for the Amiga ;) Paint, animation and music software were obviously also quite good on the Commodore.
But Signum and Calamus were true system sellers.

About specialized software on the UTD - I only added a fraction of the stuff that's in the book. Of course there's also software that was never released publicly like this software/hardware combo developed by scientists who used the ST to count photons: http://www.stcarchiv.de/stc1992/06/atar ... t-photonen


I found one for Mossbauer spectroscopy. I might have downloaded the paper too.