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chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:04 am
by calimero
Hi,

I made web site where Atari users can enter their serial numbers of Atari computers and Atari peripherals (equipment). You can also add pictures of motherboards, cases, stickers...

http://milan.kovac.cc/atari/chipmunk/index.php

please use it! If we type enough serial numbers, we can make some conclusion regarding Atari computer production!

like Mark_G suggested, there is "German tank problem" calculation if you have enough serial numbers in database.

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Also, if you have any suggestion, please write it here and I will include them first in ToDo list :) than in site.
Also please report any errors on site or in database.
And last, if someone want, I can share PHP source of web site.

Br,
Milan Kova─Ź

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:49 am
by 1st1
calimero wrote:Thanks for interesting!
@1st1 thanks for sharing! Can you made list of Atari computers and peripherals (or can you point me to site where I can find it) ?
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Computers:

130 ST (rare, early prototype)
260 ST
520 ST
520 STM
520 ST+
260 STD (rare, prototype, floppy on the left side)
260 STFM (rare, prototype, floppy on the left side)
520 STFM (large floppy eject button)
520 STFM (small floppy eject button)
520 STE
1040 STF (large floppy eject button)
1040 STF (small floppy eject button)
1040 STFM (rare, prototype)
2080 STFM (rare)
4160 STFM (rare)
1040 STE (floppy with Atari shield)
1040 STE (PC-floppy, like Falcon)
1040 STE+ (prototype, no idea if they have been produces, but since few days we know circuit diagram and board layout from czietz findings)
4160 STE (rare, prototype)
Mega ST 1 (large floppy eject button)
Mega ST 2 (large floppy eject button)
Mega ST 4 (large floppy eject button)
Mega ST 1 (small floppy eject button)
Mega ST 2 (small floppy eject button)
Mega ST 4 (small floppy eject button)
Mega 1
Mega 2
Mega 4
Mega STE - here it would also be interesting what has been printed on the badge at the bottom (original hdd size, memory size)
E-ST (prototype)
TT 030 - here it would also be interesting what has been printed on the badge at the bottom (original hdd size, memory size) (I think there wew also early one which had a dash behint "TT 030" and mem size, like "TT 030/4" on the badge)
Falcon 030 - here it would also be interesting what has been printed on the badge at the bottom (original hdd size, memory size)
Falcon 030 Microbox (rare prototype)
Falcon MK-I (C-LAB)
Falcon MK-II (C-LAB)
Falcon MK-X (C-LAB)
Falcon 040 (rare prototype, maybe only boards)
Stacy
Stacy 1
Stacy 2
Stacy 4
ST-Book (1MB, there may have also been rare 4 MB models, I don't know if they had different label)
ST-Pad / STylus
ATW 800 (Abaque is the same)
Sparrow (I don't know exactly how they were named)

PC 1
PC 2
PC 3
PC 4
PC 4 Mitac (see http://www.ataripc.net/pc4-286/mitac-pc4-germany/)
PC 5
PC5/Eurix
ABC 286/30 (maybe also different clock frequencys)
ABC 386SX-II
ABC 386DX-II
ABC N386SX (NABC-11, Notebook)

Portfolio HPC-004
Portfolio HPC-005
Portfolio HPC-006
Portfolio HPC-009
Portfolio HPC-010
Portfolio HPC-011
(they differ in Firmware/DIP-DOS version, maybe there are more HPC-versions)

Peripherials
SF 314 (large eject button)
SF 314 (small exect button)
SF 324 (no details known)
SF 354 (simple board)
SF 354 (board with microcontroller)
SF 354 (large eject button)
SF 354 (small exect button) (small/large eject button cold be combined with simple or microcontroller board, i don't know, I have both with large eject button)
SH 204
SH 205
SH 317 (10 MB)
Megafile 20
Megafile 30
Megafile 44
Megafile 60
SMM 804
STC 504 (thermo transfer color)
SLM 804
SLM 605
SLM C804 (SLM DMA interface)
SX212 (Modem)
CDAR 504

Monitors
SM 124 (maybe differentiate between different versions)
SM 125
SM 144 (for Mega STE)
SM 146 (for Mega STE)
SM 147 (only USA)
SC 1224 (Goldstar)
SC 1224 (JVC)
SC 1224 (Samsung)
SC 1435
PS 3000 (with integrated floppy)
SM-194
TTM-194
TTM-195
PTC-1425 (VGA, for PC)
PTC-1426 (VGA monitor for TT and ABC series)
PCM 145 (VGA monochrome)

Mouse
STM-1 (grey, different mechanics!)
STM-1 (white, for TT and PC)

Keyboard
for Mega ST / ATW 800
for Mega STE (grey)
for TT

(PC-Keyboards, I think most of them were made by Keytronics, and early ones with F-keys on the left by Cherry - similar ot Mega ST keyboard)

We may add also Milan, Hades, Medusa, Firebee?

That's it for now, after some brainstorming and online research. if you have to add things, just do.

Sources:
- my brain (the parts which still exists...)
- http://www.atari-museum.de
- http://www.atari-computermuseum.de
- http://www.ataripc.net/

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:23 pm
by calimero
Thanks.

I should think what would be best interface to display so much stuff :/ - one dropdown menu?

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:31 pm
by Robson
- 520 STF (small/large)
- 520 STE

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:31 pm
by calimero
Atari 2080, 4160 ST(f/m/e) are not prototypes!

They were sold by "Mladinska Knjiga" in Yugoslavia. More here: viewtopic.php?p=44644&sid=217b8ff7884dac0189e83356bb59cfcb#p44644

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I am not sure for such a big list because many user would not know what to chose (SF 314 with or without microcontroller, or with cimple board... or SC 1224 by JVC, Samsung or Goldstar) - these information are not visible on outside of box so I believe many would hesitate to enter information in database.

For now I put everything that 1st1 suggested. Please take a look and give me more opinions.
(note that text in brackets is only informations - it would not be written in database)
here you can see all models: http://milan.kovac.cc/atari/chipmunk/models.txt

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:47 pm
by 1st1
Robson wrote:- 520 STF (small/large)
- 520 STE


what is small/large on 520STF?

Yes, forgot 520STE, and I have one... totally forgot... (germanized UK model)

Would be interesting to know if 2080ST and 4160 ST have a new board layout or if they have standard 1040 board with additional memory board added like the hobbist did ourselves.

I have updated the list above, also with another new finding, 1040 STE with Falcon upper case which can use any PC floppy. See http://forum.atari-home.de/index.php?topic=13374.0

You may also add a field for "made in <country>". Atari had production facilities in China, Taiwan, Hong-Kong, Israel, and mabe elsewhere.

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:27 pm
by Lynxman
1st1 wrote:1040 STFM (rare, prototype)


Prototype?

calimero wrote:Atari 2080, 4160 ST(f/m/e) are not prototypes!


Pics?
I would like to see not only the labels of this Ataris, i would like to see the Mainboard.

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:00 pm
by Cyprian
Lynxman wrote:
1st1 wrote:1040 STFM (rare, prototype)


Prototype?

:)

1st1, 1040 STFM was very common ST model in Germany and Poland

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:20 pm
by calimero
Pics?
I would like to see not only the labels of this Ataris, i would like to see the Mainboard.

me also (I do not have any of these).

but I saw that someone occasionally sell 2080 and 4160 badges on ebay... (I am not sure if they are authentic)

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:26 pm
by Robson
1st1 wrote:
Robson wrote:- 520 STF (small/large)
- 520 STE


what is small/large on 520STF?


I was referring to floppy eject buttons as you did before

1st1 wrote:I have updated the list above, also with another new finding, 1040 STE with Falcon upper case which can use any PC floppy. See http://forum.atari-home.de/index.php?topic=13374.0


I have one of these too.

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:30 pm
by Robson
I have this one as well which stands out a little with it's weird badge.
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However mine has a standasrd stfm bottom, this one on the link has "Limited Edition" sticker.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/ATARI-1040-ST-Li ... 7675.l2557

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:18 am
by 1st1
A friend of mine has a Falcon 030 where in the badge the colors are wrong. I have pictures for comparison.

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:25 pm
by mikro
OK, more suggestions:

- ability so sort by each column
- selection of keyboard layout and TOS version in combo box (possibly with an option to enter its own value)
- blitter socket and blitter should be one option and combo box again -- "present (on mb)", "present (in socket)", "not present (with socket)", "not present (available space on mb)" and "not present"
- ability to enter "Unknown" and "N/A" (it's getting messy very quickly!)
- remove useless fields like "state", "bought from", "as a", "case", perhaps "time of purchase" as well (can't think of any meaning to that)

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:51 am
by calimero
1) "ability so sort by each column"
- does anyone know good javascript library that will gave sorting and filtering to existing html <table> ?

2) "keyboard layout and TOS version in combo box"
- I need a list of all possible values

3) done

4) N/A for what? Select tags? I think that it is best to leave blank field if something is unknown or un applicable

5) these are "additional fields", for me they are not useless, they gave some more history regarding specific machine. You can always leave them blank.


it will take few minutes to resolve json file... please try around 13h.

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:05 am
by mikro
N/A for stuff which is not available on all hardware parts, Unknown for stuff which is available but the editor is unable to fill it in (for instance he doesn't want to open his Atari).

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:14 am
by calimero
I finished with previous update: blitter is now one <select>

btw I just notice that some users have two version of TOS in one machine :)

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:05 pm
by rj1
You should add option for GSTMCU integrated blitter, which now is lost.
Suggesting:
'present (integrated)'

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:48 pm
by calimero
ok. I add this option also: http://milan.kovac.cc/atari/chipmunk/op ... litter.txt

but please, I do not know what are all these options! Obviously I am not aware of all these blitter variants...

present (on mb) - this is blitter in STe? Is it Surface-mount technology (SMT)?
present (in socket) - this is socket. clear.
present (integrated) - how integrated? In another IC like in of Falcon, inside COMBLE chip? Does Mega STe has integrated blitter?
-- EDIT: now I see: GST MCU in Glue and MMU in one chip in Mega STe.
not present (with socket) - cleat.
not present (available space on mb) - there is no socket, just "pads" on motherboard?
not present - nothing is present: neither pads neither socket? This is case with some very first STs?

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:46 pm
by davemacblack
Model list missing:
- monitor SC 1425
- monitor PCM 124 (12" mono CGA/EGA for PC)
- monitor PTM 144 (14" paperwhite mono VGA for PC)
- monitor PCC 1414 (14" color CGA/EGA for PC)
- monitor PCC 1415 (14" color CGA/EGA for PC)
- monitor PCC 1424 (14" Color VGA for PC)
- monitor PCC 1425 (14" Color VGA for PC)

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:35 pm
by calimero
davemacblack wrote:Model list missing:
- monitor SC 1425
- monitor PCM 124 (12" mono CGA/EGA for PC)
- monitor PTM 144 (14" paperwhite mono VGA for PC)
- monitor PCC 1414 (14" color CGA/EGA for PC)
- monitor PCC 1415 (14" color CGA/EGA for PC)
- monitor PCC 1424 (14" Color VGA for PC)
- monitor PCC 1425 (14" Color VGA for PC)

added.

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:10 pm
by mikro
calimero wrote:ok. I add this option also: http://milan.kovac.cc/atari/chipmunk/op ... litter.txt

but please, I do not know what are all these options! Obviously I am not aware of all these blitter variants...

present (on mb) - this is blitter in STe? Is it Surface-mount technology (SMT)?
present (in socket) - this is socket. clear.
present (integrated) - how integrated? In another IC like in of Falcon, inside COMBLE chip? Does Mega STe has integrated blitter?
-- EDIT: now I see: GST MCU in Glue and MMU in one chip in Mega STe.
not present (with socket) - cleat.
not present (available space on mb) - there is no socket, just "pads" on motherboard?
not present - nothing is present: neither pads neither socket? This is case with some very first STs?


As it is on the website is very confusing, it's hard to spot difference between present (on mb) and present (integrated).

After some thinking I think the right wording is this:

present (separate Blitter IC and GST-MCU) -- as in MegaST and later models
present (integrated with the GST-MCU) -- as in later STE models
present (in socket)
present (soldered) -- ? I don't know, it's hard to tell the difference between this and "present (separate Blitter)", I'd leave it out
not present (only socket)
not present (smd pads on mb)
not present (without smd pads on mb)

As you correctly pointed out, we don't need "Unknown" field, the user can leave it blank.

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 3:10 pm
by davemacblack
calimero wrote:
davemacblack wrote:Model list missing:
- monitor SC 1425
- monitor PCM 124 (12" mono CGA/EGA for PC)
- monitor PTM 144 (14" paperwhite mono VGA for PC)
- monitor PCC 1414 (14" color CGA/EGA for PC)
- monitor PCC 1415 (14" color CGA/EGA for PC)
- monitor PCC 1424 (14" Color VGA for PC)
- monitor PCC 1425 (14" Color VGA for PC)

added.


another missing model:
- floppy drive PCF 554 (5,25" DD 360k for PC / ST)

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 3:26 am
by calimero
^
added.

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:00 am
by mikro
Btw it would be nice to have Blitter automatically set as integrated for anything better than STE + make some sane default (right now it is "socketed").

Also, the option Unknown makes sense so does N/A, for instance for stuff like monitors, right now you must select blitter not present :D

Re: chipmunk (serial numbers database) for Atari computers

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 6:28 am
by 1st1
How about a bulk upload of lists per CSV file? You can provide a souce file (csv, xls(x), ...) which describes the rows, and one can create a list of his many collected atari computers and peripherials (for example with Excel or LibreOffice calc), export to CSV (comma separated), and upload it to your site and imported to the sheet.

(xls(x) as source file would have the advantage that you already can define standard preselections, like for example the blitter option)