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Atari Falcon advice

Postby Amigaz » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:36 pm

Trying to get an Atari Falcon in working order and need some advice since I'm quite noob when It comes to Atari computers.

The Machine boots to TOS and the picture looks good.
It formats and reads floppy's OK.

I've ordered a CF/Ide adapter so I can have a working HDD also.

What should be my next step ... what util should I use to prep and format the drive and what OS should I install?

I want to get a HDD working with a good OS and desktop so I can test out some more things like sound for example with a game or demo.

The machine has the stock 68030 CPU and a RAM expansion which brings the total RAM to 14 megs.

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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby Greenious » Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:07 pm

No need to install any OS... TOS is already there... :D

As for "essential software", have a look here: https://sites.google.com/site/stessential/

It's basically what users here have more or less agreed upon through discussions. Under HDD Tool you'll find what you need to prep your HDD.

With "sysinfo" you can check your hardware, if your F030 haven't got TOS 4.04 I recommend getting it. Upgrading it with an FPU is also cheap and easy so you might want to do that aswell if it haven't got it already.

Later you might want to play around with MinT, but let's start out with this. :) Good luck!
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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby Amigaz » Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:28 pm

Thanks! :-)

Hope the HDD stuff arrives here soon so I can start testing this stuff out

ouch, that hddriver is expensive to buy ... is it the best driver to use?

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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby Greenious » Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:43 pm

HD Driver is the best, yes. But for a stock Atari the free alternatives like ICD Pro or even atari's own AHDI works fine.

I wouldn't worry too much about it initially, once you are up and running and start running into the limitations of the free stuff, you'll know what you need and want to pay for.
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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby troed » Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:47 pm

For anyone who just got a Falcon (€800-1200) I'm surprised that currently developed and supported software like HDDriver (€40) is considered expensive :/ It's well worth supporting.

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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby AtariZoll » Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:03 pm

There is much cheaper recent driver, TOS/DOS compatible, very simple partitioning, usage:
http://atari.8bitchip.info/pphdr.php
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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby joska » Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:24 pm

If you want to try FreeMiNT:

http://vanillamint.atari.org
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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby trecool » Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:07 pm

Get HD driver or PP driver, I don't think you should mess with other drivers than these. I spend many hours trying old stuff for nothing.
Then install NVDI and VanillaMint is the way to go!

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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby wongck » Mon Aug 07, 2017 11:31 pm

If you have a stock falcon, I would say MagiC would be a better choice.
But with 14Mb, you can give Mint ago.
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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby Amigaz » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:50 am

troed wrote:For anyone who just got a Falcon (€800-1200) I'm surprised that currently developed and supported software like HDDriver (€40) is considered expensive :/ It's well worth supporting.


Well, got it about 12 years ago very cheap ... didn't know that they were so valuable nowadays.
Just thought €40 is a bit steep for a driver .. would seem more okay if it was a program or such.

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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby Amigaz » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:51 am

AtariZoll wrote:There is much cheaper recent driver, TOS/DOS compatible, very simple partitioning, usage:
http://atari.8bitchip.info/pphdr.php


Thanks :-)

Will give that one a go too.

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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby Amigaz » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:58 am

wongck wrote:If you have a stock falcon, I would say MagiC would be a better choice.
But with 14Mb, you can give Mint ago.


Ok, is it easy to install on a newly prepped HDD?

Can't find any (working) download links for MagiC :-(

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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby wongck » Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:42 am

I think there was one somewhere on this forum.
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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby joska » Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:19 pm

MagiC is easy to install, if you install it from an original disk(image). However, many of the archives you'll find are just zipped up copies of someone else's setup and may or may not work on your machine.

I believe this is what wongck refers to: http://fatrakoon.co.uk/awarez
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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby calimero » Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:03 pm

Here you have few version of MagiC: http://milan.kovac.cc/atari/software/?folder=/OS/MAGIC

- Vectronix crack
- Elite crack
- some unknown 6.2 version ...

But I am suggesting using Petari (AtariZoll) patches from http://atari.8bitchip.info/magic62.html
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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby wongck » Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:43 pm

Ah yes, Joska, that's the one. thanks.
Was difficult to search/type on my phone. So was going to find it when I'm back at my computer.
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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby leech » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:28 am

It's a trap! First some memory, then an FPU, then a hard drive... then the RTC, and a CT60e...

Awesome, welcome aboard the joy of Atari. You know MagiC is one of the few setups I have never managed to get working quite right, yet I do have full on MiNT with GNU utils. I love my Falcon, wish I could have afforded one back in the day, I possibly would have stayed using Atari computers for longer than I did.
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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby calimero » Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:04 am

For plain 16MHz Falcon MagiC is certainly more suitable (more "wow" effect) than MiNT which is quite slow, slower than TOS.

Do not download MagiC from http://fatrakoon.co.uk/awarez since there is no version 6!
Download:
http://milan.kovac.cc/atari/software/?f ... GIC62A.FTP and
http://milan.kovac.cc/atari/software/?f ... GIC62B.FTP these are latest Vectronix 6.2 cracks.
After installation do download AtariZoll archive: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=20095&start=50#p249414
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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby joska » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:05 am

calimero wrote:For plain 16MHz Falcon MagiC is certainly more suitable (more "wow" effect) than MiNT which is quite slow, slower than TOS.


Yes, MiNT is slower than TOS but that also applies to MagiC ;) MultiTOS was slow, MiNT has never been slow.
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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby calimero » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:48 am

joska wrote:
calimero wrote:For plain 16MHz Falcon MagiC is certainly more suitable (more "wow" effect) than MiNT which is quite slow, slower than TOS.


Yes, MiNT is slower than TOS but that also applies to MagiC ;) MultiTOS was slow, MiNT has never been slow.


MagiC is faster and much smoother than plain TOS - my subjective felling. And much faster than MultiTOS and faster than MiNT. I am talking about GUI responsiveness and user experience in general. Multitasking is also smoother. I made video of Falcon playing MP3 under MagiC. I could do same under MiNT so we could compare ;)
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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby joska » Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:10 am

calimero wrote:MagiC is faster and much smoother than plain TOS - my subjective felling.


No, not your subjective feeling. MagiC also includes a much faster VDI than TOS, which is why MagiC is faster than plain TOS. However, once you add NVDI to the equation MagiC is actually slower than TOS.

calimero wrote:And much faster than MultiTOS


Everything is faster than MultiTOS. The snails that are eating the raspberries in my garden are faster than MultiTOS.

And this is where the "MiNT is slow" myth comes from.

calimero wrote:I made video of Falcon playing MP3 under MagiC. I could do same under MiNT so we could compare ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycHGQQYoWZQ


Yes, that would be interesting.
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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby wongck » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:26 pm

My take on MagiC is that you get a fast responsive system that comes with a nice desktop .
The bonus is that it understands LFN.
Extra bonus is that it comes with multitasking.
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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby Amigaz » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:27 pm

A quick question ... does the Falcon read PC formatted 720k floppys or 1.44mb formatted one's?
I've formatted a 720k floppy on the PC and put some Atari stuff on it but I get a read error on thew Falcon ... the Falcon formats and reads floppys OK

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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby wongck » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:30 pm

I don't have a real floppy drive now... but IIRC, I format on the PC my 1,44 MB floppy and it works fine on my Falcon.
Damn.... there was something on the Wiki that talks about this but wiki is down now.
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Re: Atari Falcon advice

Postby wongck » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:33 pm

Ah... found something here.... about formating 720 KB on PC.
viewtopic.php?t=21332#p237616

I do not remember trying this .... so YMMV
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