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Where do people dissapear to?

Postby mzry » Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:14 am

Heyas,

I've always wondered about the people who designed old machines, like the atari etc. There is such an active community like this site and others, and yet why don't we ever see input from the original designers of these machines? Did they all pass away or something? I know some probably went different directions in the industry, but surely at these time period they would either be retired or not working as hard, why wouldn't they be interested in the cult following they created? etc

All of these questions puzzle me :)

Anyone know?

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Re: Where do people dissapear to?

Postby AdamK » Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:21 am

They moved on.
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Re: Where do people dissapear to?

Postby EmpireAndrew » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:02 pm

For some it's just another project.
I work with a guy whose job it was to write the assembler code for several coin-op to home computer game conversions.
He never played the games beyond testing while writing, and hasn't played any others either.
He has no emotional attachment to any of his work, which is useful when there are disagreements about how to code something.

I guess to many of its engineers the ST was just another project?

Perhaps different at the time to say the Mac which Jobs treated as a crusade to change the world.
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Re: Where do people dissapear to?

Postby lp » Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:00 pm

I have tracked down several atari book authors and in all cases they said they sold the rights. Essentially the same thing, completed the project, got paid and moved on to the next project. It seems software authors do the same, often leaving their work degrade on a floppy in the closet, or actually losing it because they have no emotional attachment either, nor do they think it will be relevant years later.

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Re: Where do people dissapear to?

Postby Mindthreat » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:16 pm

A lot of the behind the scene negatives not seen or known by the general public may have a lot to do with it. Especially after hearing the horror stories developers had dealt with the likes of Atari from general hasty responses to not being paid in regards to the Jaguar, it's a sore subject for many as well. Others have moved on for sure, innovation is key. Someone has to ask or wonder why someone comes up out of the blue some 25-years later asking about a piece of code or hardware you worked on that is completely irrelevant in today's world but you would also think should feel somewhat flattered that people are still interested in their work or design so many years later.

The rest? Either retired or dead maybe. 30-years is a long time from a 45-55 year old standpoint. Really puts things into perspective. Kind of makes me feel riddled at times for clinging onto older machines and software yet I realize it's just something I enjoy and is a part of who I am - it's just a fun hobby.
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Re: Where do people dissapear to?

Postby ijor » Mon Feb 20, 2017 1:43 pm

Some are dead. Notably, Jay Miner the main Atari 8-bit and Amiga designer passed years ago. But most indeed moved on. Shiraz Shivji was the ST designer. Never heard too much about him. But probably he is more the low profile guy. Some people like to be in the news all the time, like Nolan Bushnell (Atari original founder), other don't.

Somebody is performing great small interviews with Atari 8-bit related people at Atariage. Even when most people moved on, after so many years it brings some nostalgia to them. And in several cases he manages to get original previously unreleased sources from people he interview. A few cases involve, of course, the ST as well.

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Re: Where do people dissapear to?

Postby Cyprian » Mon Feb 20, 2017 3:02 pm

in 2012 Shiraz Shivji sent greetings to the Atari community:
https://youtu.be/Ke-vu1x16UI?t=127
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Re: Where do people dissapear to?

Postby mzry » Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:12 am

Cyprian wrote:in 2012 Shiraz Shivji sent greetings to the Atari community:
https://youtu.be/Ke-vu1x16UI?t=127


Wow that's so awesome! So some people actually just aren't aware of how popular their products were, maybe there are other designers out there like Shiraz who don't know how big the following is.

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Re: Where do people dissapear to?

Postby Trixster » Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:12 am

They have children.
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Re: Where do people dissapear to?

Postby ijor » Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:01 am

Cyprian wrote:in 2012 Shiraz Shivji sent greetings to the Atari community:
https://youtu.be/Ke-vu1x16UI?t=127


I didn't know. Very nice! Thanks for the link. Just wish he would write some technical background about the design stage of the ST!

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Re: Where do people dissapear to?

Postby calimero » Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:53 am

Mindthreat wrote:A lot of the behind the scene negatives not seen or known by the general public may have a lot to do with it. Especially after hearing the horror stories developers had dealt with the likes of Atari from general hasty responses to not being paid in regards to the Jaguar


e.g. one of designers of Atari Jaguar, John Mathieson, works at NVDIA for quite some time: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnmathieson - he is dedicated to chip designing all the way :) btw is there any interview with him regarding Atari Jaguar in recent years?

Shiraz Shivji say "hello" to all atarians via SillyVenture video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke-vu1x16UI

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yes, it would be really nice to see more interview with Atari Corp. people (there are quite few at https://ataripodcast.libsyn.com)
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