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Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby AtariSociety » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:15 pm

Been getting back into Atari after being away a very long time (1990s) and been reading some 1990s magazines with various articles about multi-tasking on Atari.

From what it seems to me in my limited magazine readings so far of later issues, 3 methods of multi-tasking come to mind.

Atari's own MultiTOS that is now MiNT.
MagiC
Geneva

Any others I should explore?

Seems the winner, if winner means what I see most talking about or new gen Atari's using is MiNT.

Would I be correct in that statement?

MagiC seems very interesting to me and even Geneva for the time looked cool.

Any preference one over the other or has it become MiNT is the way forward today multitasking on Atari?

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Re: Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby Faucon2001 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:35 pm

It depends of your computer and the ram you have.
It's difficult to multitask below 4MB
For ST, Mega ST and STE, Geneva or Magic are the best option. Mint could run in theory, but it needs too much ram to be useful on a 4MB machine
On a stock Falcon with 14MB you can run the 3 OS, but Mint is still a bit heavy for it. I'll go for Magic
On a TT with plenty ram and above, Magic and Mint are the best solution, Magic for compatibility and Mint for updates. Both are performing the same.
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Re: Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby wongck » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:47 pm

When MagiC came out, I was using it on my 4MB 520STFM and it was a great OS to use. Main thing for me at that time was the speed improvement , and it came with multi-tasking.
But be prepared, it's not the same way as you use multitasking on the current Windoze or Mac, because the older programs are not really designed for multitasking environment. For example, if you curt and paste stuff, you may have a difficulty of pasting into the other program.
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Re: Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby Frank B » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:49 pm

Magic is cool :)

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Re: Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby AtariSociety » Tue Apr 05, 2016 10:59 pm

So is Magic still a product that Applications Systems Heidelberg still sells? Supports? Added to free public domain now?

Seems like that may be a nice option for more stock systems or those with 4MB to 14MB range.

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Re: Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby Faucon2001 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 11:53 pm

Excellent choice :-)
Magic is nor abandonware, nor free nor public released and it's no longer supported. I tried several years ago to buy software from ASH, and never got an answer. Seems they are out of Atari business
Otherwise you can have a look there : http://www.s212939144.websitehome.co.uk/awarez/
Magic 5 is a good option for ST an Falcon.
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Re: Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby calimero » Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:34 am

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Re: Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby tyk » Wed Jun 08, 2016 10:31 pm

Geneva is still available: http://www4.pair.com/gribnif/geneva.htm
And it's very compatible with old software, much more than MultiTOS and Magic.

Magic C Mac is still available: http://www.ashshop.biz/diverses/atari/
You can ask is there any new Atari or PC version?

Mint guys maybe can tell here is there anything that Geneva or Magic doesn't offer.

If you don't really need co-operative or pre emptive multitasking then your choice can be system switcher Revolver:
http://www.atarimania.com/st/boxes/hi_r ... e_d7_2.jpg

There is also Linux and BSD versions for Atari, but I don't see any reason why these are more useful than Geneva or Magic.

Of-course you can install all of them in one Atari and switch what to boot with Xboot III.

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Re: Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby ctirad » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:07 pm

Faucon2001 wrote:Mint could run in theory, but it needs too much ram to be useful on a 4MB machine
On a stock Falcon with 14MB you can run the 3 OS, but Mint is still a bit heavy for it.


Mint itself is pretty lightweight. But on a 4MB machine you have to skip all the additional un*x stuff. WIth a decent AES, desktop and essential stuff like NVDI you will still have around 2MB RAM left on na 4MB machine.

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Re: Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby arf » Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:02 pm

AtariSociety wrote:From what it seems to me in my limited magazine readings so far of later issues, 3 methods of multi-tasking come to mind.

Atari's own MultiTOS that is now MiNT.
MagiC
Geneva

Any others I should explore?


  • MultiGEM, the first GUI multitasking for TOS, AFAIK.
  • Beckemeyer also offered a multitasking kernel, no GUI though, I think.
  • N.AES, based on MiNT.

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Re: Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby joska » Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:01 am

ctirad wrote:Mint itself is pretty lightweight. But on a 4MB machine you have to skip all the additional un*x stuff. WIth a decent AES, desktop and essential stuff like NVDI you will still have around 2MB RAM left on na 4MB machine.


I am a MiNT user myself, but I would not use it on a 4Mb Falcon. With MiNT+XaAES+NVDI+TeraDesk and a colour resolution there's around 1.5Mb free. That's not enough to take real advantage of MiNT. With 14Mb OTOH it works really well.

On a 4Mb machine I'd rather recommend Geneva. It's lightweight, fast and works better than both MiNT and MagiC with older applications.
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Re: Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby Eero Tamminen » Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:38 pm

There is also Linux and BSD versions for Atari, but I don't see any reason why these are more useful than Geneva or Magic.


Recent Debian m68k version are not really that useful because they use so much memory and because of the default crypto settings which takes huge amount of CPU e.g. at login. On 14MB TT you have couple of MB free memory when you log into text console. Worst CPU usage is easy to fix by changing PAM settings, but because of memory issues modern Unix systems not really usable on base 030 Atari machines. On Aranym they work fine.

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Re: Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby Frank B » Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:33 am

I've been using Multitos, the later AES beta from Atari and mdial. I've added some of the mint command line tools from mint112b.
It works pretty well on a 4 meg ST machine. The only odd thing is that mintshell's inverse command doesn't seem to work. I've been meaning to update the mint from multitos to see if it fixes it. I can zip up this and attach it to the thread if it's useful.

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Re: Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby tyk » Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:07 am

Eero Tamminen wrote:Recent Debian m68k version are not really that useful because they use so much memory and because of the default crypto settings which takes huge amount of CPU e.g. at login. On 14MB TT you have couple of MB free memory when you log into text console.


Old (about from 1994-1997) Debian m68k Linux with kernel 1.2 called ADL works with 4MB. But is there anybody to tell is there anything that another OS doesn't have? But it would be fun to start Linux from single-tasking TOS and then come back TOS without restart. That's need some modifications to start and shutdown, but it is possible.

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Re: Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby AtariCrypt » Mon Jul 25, 2016 11:34 am

tyk wrote:Geneva is still available: http://www4.pair.com/gribnif/geneva.htm
And it's very compatible with old software, much more than MultiTOS and Magic.

Magic C Mac is still available: http://www.ashshop.biz/diverses/atari/
You can ask is there any new Atari or PC version?

Mint guys maybe can tell here is there anything that Geneva or Magic doesn't offer.

If you don't really need co-operative or pre emptive multitasking then your choice can be system switcher Revolver:
http://www.atarimania.com/st/boxes/hi_r ... e_d7_2.jpg

There is also Linux and BSD versions for Atari, but I don't see any reason why these are more useful than Geneva or Magic.

Of-course you can install all of them in one Atari and switch what to boot with Xboot III.


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Anyhow for me, if you've an ST then its Geneva or MagiC but Falcon/TT/etc owners would probably go with MiNT.
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Re: Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby tenox » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:16 am

Is there a full version of English Geneva available? I only see Demo. Thanks.

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Re: Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby calimero » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:09 am

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Re: Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby mzry » Tue Oct 18, 2016 11:54 am

calimero wrote:this should be full versions: http://milan.kovac.cc/atari/software/?f ... OS/_GENEVA


Do you have an explanation for the file versions? Are the top two with '4' in the title the latest? Thx
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Re: Multi-tasking & Atari Computers

Postby calimero » Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:19 pm

I do not have a clue :)

Files on my sites are mainly from my Atari harddisk from 90s.

You should download all files and check it by yourself, and than you could wrote on my sites your finding about files :)
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