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Re: Falcon serial numbers

Postby mikro » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:25 am

calimero wrote:Did you find descrption of each revision?

Yes, it's in the documents. I work on a document to gather all the findings.

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Re: Falcon serial numbers

Postby joska » Sat Apr 22, 2017 9:55 am

mikro wrote:Interestingly, you're second person to to tell me this (rev. J from 7/93).

Rev. D/C PCB was approved on 16/03/1993 and the same month production began. Then follows E on 02/03/1993, F on 30/04/1993, NTSC G, NTSC H/PAL G, NTSC J/PAL H on 04/08/1993 and that's the line where the document ends. We have no records of a "PAL J" at all but logically it should be somewhere after 08/1993 what totally doesn't add up.


Well, I don't know where this motherboard comes from. I got myself a really badly treated Falcon some years ago - broken case, DDD top case, poorly fitted BlowUp FX, no keyboard... I bought it from Germany but who knows :) How can I determine it it's a PAL or NTSC motherboard?

mikro wrote:So maybe there was some mixup or a custom fix but one of the Atari's dealers who put "J" there after fixing some stuff on D/C board.


It does not look like it's been altered. Sorry for the poor quality.

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Re: Falcon serial numbers

Postby mikro » Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:09 am

Well, it's a sticker so no rocket science to remove "D/C" and put "J" there. ;) Yours is PAL-B (so was the other "J" I saw), the -003 tells that.

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Re: Falcon serial numbers

Postby joska » Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:24 pm

mikro wrote:Well, it's a sticker so no rocket science to remove "D/C" and put "J" there. ;)


Sure, but in that case someone has taken great care in removing the old sticker. There's no scratches or residues. And why replace the sticker?

Unfortunately I can't say if this board has had any factory patches, it was quite badly hacked by whoever installed the BlowUp and I had to do several repairs when I restored it to stock condition.
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Re: Falcon serial numbers

Postby Ektus » Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:59 pm

calimero wrote:
Ektus wrote:One of my Falcons has CA401332003REVD/C, serial Y43602006999 on the mainboard. Bought 1994 (maybe 1993?) in Germany, German keyboard.


Please use http://milan.kovac.cc/atari/chipmunk/ to add your serial numbers...

I did, but am not able to correct an error: The Eiffel interface in my CT2A Falcon is without display.

And some data to add: The second Falcon (with CT63) has Y 43502 3000612 on the case.


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Re: Falcon serial numbers

Postby mzry » Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:07 pm

Mine is B3 32 02 2000402. I'm having trouble decyphering, would that make it February 1993 in factory B3 number #2000402?

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Re: Falcon serial numbers

Postby Ektus » Tue May 09, 2017 8:35 am

Ektus wrote:One of my Falcons has CA401332003REVD/C, serial Y43602006999 on the mainboard. Bought 1994 (maybe 1993?) in Germany, German keyboard.

I've found a photo that's showing the case serial number for that machine.

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Re: Falcon serial numbers

Postby calimero » Tue May 09, 2017 1:58 pm

Ektus wrote:
Ektus wrote:One of my Falcons has CA401332003REVD/C, serial Y43602006999 on the mainboard. Bought 1994 (maybe 1993?) in Germany, German keyboard.

I've found a photo that's showing the case serial number for that machine.

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Re: Falcon serial numbers

Postby Trixster » Mon May 29, 2017 9:09 pm

Just added my falcon's details to the database
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Re: Falcon serial numbers

Postby calimero » Tue May 30, 2017 9:18 am

Thanks! Did you encounter any problems or illogic in process ? :)
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Re: Falcon serial numbers

Postby Trixster » Tue Jun 06, 2017 1:48 pm

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Re: Falcon serial numbers

Postby CheshireCat » Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:11 am

My Falcon (Germany version) has this label on the bottom:

Y 44C 02 3004144

I have inserted the spaces where I see discontinuities in the string. It seems that the last group (3004144) has been printed by a different entity.
If the date decoding algorithm described in this thread is correct, then my system could be one of the latest manufactured (December 1994). The case has a standard Atari Falcon 030 label.
There is definitely something else to add to the serial number because my 1994 model cannot have a serial number as low as 4144.

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Re: Falcon serial numbers

Postby mikro » Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:45 am

CheshireCat wrote:my system could be one of the latest manufactured (December 1994)

No, only your case could be. Open it and look at the PCB, that's what matters.

There is definitely something else to add to the serial number because my 1994 model cannot have a serial number as low as 4144.

On the contrary, it's the only known reset of the numbering: https://mikrosk.github.io/clockpatch/hi ... al-numbers

I only don't know whether it's because the new batch was part of the production for C-Lab or there was a batch in 1994 and they just reset it because of new year.

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Re: Falcon serial numbers

Postby CheshireCat » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:23 am

mikro wrote: However, for whatever reason they left out the video information, so the numbers became one digit less and the information is encoded in that PCB model number.


The reason could be that the same PCB could work for different video standards, so it made sense to produce motherboards in batches and then use them in systems shipped to different countries, based on demand.

This would make sense also for the external case, and it is possibly the reason why some of the cases show a video digit in the serial number that does not seem to be consistent with the actual country the system has been shipped to (based on country label on the back).

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Re: Falcon serial numbers

Postby CheshireCat » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:24 am

mikro wrote:No, only your case could be. Open it and look at the PCB, that's what matters.


I will next time I have physical access to the system. Unfortunately this won't happen for a long while.

mikro wrote:On the contrary, it's the only known reset of the numbering: https://mikrosk.github.io/clockpatch/hi ... al-numbers


Thanks for the link, very good info.
Some comments:
1) My case is marked as a GER (Germany) model, however the "3" in the version digit written on the case is for PAL-B.
2) My case has an Atari label (not C-Lab), and yet the production month is December 1994 (almost 1995 :wink:). Maybe the previous owner swapped it ?

mikro wrote:I only don't know whether it's because the new batch was part of the production for C-Lab or there was a batch in 1994 and they just reset it because of new year.


Well, in the latter case, the year digit would be the complementing part of the serial number. Sort of batch identifier.
What's the highest known serial number for 1994 machines ?

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Re: Falcon serial numbers

Postby mikro » Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:58 am

CheshireCat wrote:I will next time I have physical access to the system. Unfortunately this won't happen for a long while.

Oh :-( I'm quite curious about this, see below.

1) My case is marked as a GER (Germany) model, however the "3" in the version digit written on the case is for PAL-B.

To be honest, this is new to me. That's the first Y4 model I've ever seen with the colour standard defined.

2) My case has an Atari label (not C-Lab), and yet the production month is December 1994 (almost 1995 :wink:). Maybe the previous owner swapped it ?

To this date I know only of a D/C revision from 01/1994 and an MK II from 09/1994. But remember, I'm talking about PCBs, the case might have followed different rules or exceptions.

What's the highest known serial number for 1994 machines ?

See above. Yours is the highest I've ever seen, apply to both the case and PCB. I'd really love to check your PCB. :D

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Re: Falcon serial numbers

Postby calimero » Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:32 am

I also notice many inconsistency about supposed number meaning and actual fact regarding Falcon.
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