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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby wongck » Tue Jul 16, 2013 11:57 am

Just copy a text file to the watch folder and see if it get transferred to the printer.
If the text file does printed out, it means that it is correctly set up.

However, if it does not print the NVDI file, it may be sending an incomplete file and seems like nothing on the printer.
Check the LDP server if any spools came in.
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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby Faucon2001 » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:58 pm

Hi,

I have recently tested PHerp and received the following message when I try a test print : "LPD Error ! Cannot connect to LPD service Err=20"

My setup is
Xubuntu 13.04 + Aranym 0.915 + Mint 1.18 with working connection to the net
The printer is on a Mac, osx 10.6, shared following apple guidelines and accesible under Xubuntu
I have properly entered the Mac ip address and the queue name given by osx print&fax setup ( the name is fairly long HP_Color_LaseJet_2600n)

Any clue? Have I missed something or is an OSX issue ?

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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby Ato » Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:55 pm

Faucon2001 wrote:"LPD Error ! Cannot connect to LPD service Err=20"


When it cannot connect the LPD service on your Mac, I'd say make sure that the LPD service on your Mac is running. My guess: it is an issue of configuring the printing system, i.e. CUPS, or the firewall on the Mac. But I would not bet any money on my guess. 8)

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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby Faucon2001 » Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:15 am

Thanks, but that's what I checked first :-)
Shared printer activated and firewall opened.
As a matter of facts I can succesfully access the printer shared on the Mac directly from my linux computer, but not within Aranym.
I have also checked that Aranym ip adress is within the same subnet as the Mac ( Mac LPD is 192.168.1.90 and Aranym is 192.168.1.51)
I wonder if it could have something to see with the bridge mode used to connect to internet under Aranym or is it the implementation of LPD under osx 10.6 which is faulty?
Did anybody succeeded in printing on a lpd shared printer under osx?

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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby Ato » Wed Oct 30, 2013 7:13 am

Another idea would be to use a straight lpr - from the lpd system, not the wrapper from CUPS - on your Linux box. Once that works, you know that there is something fishy on the Aranym side.

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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby wongck » Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:33 pm

Is the networking on your Atari setup correctly?

The error is very early in the tcp area, it cannot make an connection to the server.
Since your linux is able to access it, then my guess is that the networking on the Atari is the problem.

Check your services file.
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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby Faucon2001 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:07 am

Ato : I will try what you propose ; it's true that I did the test with Cups.

Wongck : Under Aranym I can access the internet without any problem ( web, mail, ftp). What do you mean by "check your service file" ?
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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby wongck » Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:21 pm

Faucon2001 wrote:Wongck : Under Aranym I can access the internet without any problem ( web, mail, ftp). What do you mean by "check your service file" ?


If you can then it is porbably configured ok.

Sorry I meant the /etc/services file.
Basically it looks for this file and finds the unix printer port number from it, and makes a connection.
If this file is not there, it will not know which printer port to use.
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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby Faucon2001 » Sun Nov 03, 2013 3:40 am

Ato : from the terminal of my Linux Box lpr -P HP_Color_LaserJet_2600n mydoc.txt print successfully the document on my remote Mac Printer

Wongck : the /etc/services files is present on my Mint Setup, and the printer service is setup to 515/tcp
For the network setup of Aranym, I forgot to mention PH Weather and PH Gmap which are working also very well (thanks for these excellent softs) :D

So back to the begining. Any idea?

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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby Ato » Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:36 am

Faucon2001 wrote:Ato : from the terminal of my Linux Box lpr -P HP_Color_LaserJet_2600n mydoc.txt print successfully the document on my remote Mac Printer


Just double-checking: can you confirm (package management of your system) that the lpr executable/script is from an LPD package and not from CUPS?

If it is from LPD, I do not have any good clues left but one. I would try wireshark or tcpdump on the Linux box with it hooked up to the same subnet and watch the network traffic coming and going to Aranym's IP address. Perhaps that sheds some light on the issue.

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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby wongck » Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:56 am

Err 20 is really just cannot connect to the LPR service on the remote host.
The only configurable item is the printer service in /etc/services, nothing else.
It tries to setup TCP handshake with the remote server using port 515 (read from /etc/services).
If it fails, it report error 20.

Only thing I can see is that there is a firewall blocking it.
But you mention that all firewall is off -- I assume on both the remote machine and the host machine.

So I am at a lost as well.
It may be the CUPS configuration... which I am not familiar with.

As for PH Gmap and PH weather, it uses HTTP which may be default open on the firewall on all your system including your AP/router.
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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby Faucon2001 » Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:58 pm

Ato : guessed right. What I was using was CUPS-lpd. Sorry I am a newbie on Linux :(
To install BSD lpd, Synaptic tell me I have to remove CUPS (I use Xubuntu 13.10), and I am little bit scared to screw up everything.
So your first conclusion was also right : lpd sharing is not working properly on my Mac.

Wongck : I confirm both firewall, MacOSX an Xubuntu are off.

I tried to hook up the LaserJet 2600n directly to the router as it is a network printer ... but lpd is not supported by this cheap printer, only Jet Direct :(
I decided to do it at revers and hook up the printer to my Xubuntu Box, and try to connect with lpd on the Mac. No more success and same error with PHERP

Searching on the net, I have found an article telling that the lpd server is not activated by default, and to do the following to activate it (and apparently that the same on OSX :evil: )
http://tutarticle.com/linux/lpd-printer ... in-ubuntu/
I did it and got something interesting, both on my Mac and with PHERP I can connect to the printer, but still not succeed to print. On the Mac, the file is sent, but not printed, I don't know where it went. On PHERP when doing a test print, I got : LPD Error did not get ACK from LPD server Err =26

Wongck : just an issue with PHERP, my printer queue name is really long and does not fit in the conf dialog ; I edited the conf file by hand and added the missing characters ( Hewlett-Packard-HP-Color-LaserJet-2600n) ; Don't know if I did right.
I will continue to work on it ; any advice are welcome as I am a newbie on Linux.

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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby wongck » Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:00 am

Faucon2001 wrote:Wongck : just an issue with PHERP, my printer queue name is really long and does not fit in the conf dialog ; I edited the conf file by hand and added the missing characters ( Hewlett-Packard-HP-Color-LaserJet-2600n) ; Don't know if I did right.
I will continue to work on it ; any advice are welcome as I am a newbie on Linux.


Yeah, that one caught my eye but your error=20 failure has nothing to do with it so I did not mention it to you.
Now you seems to be on to this issue.
Sure you can change in the cfg file, no issues.

But you can always set the shared printer name shorter on the host computer.
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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby wongck » Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:19 am

Faucon2001 wrote:I tried to hook up the LaserJet 2600n directly to the router as it is a network printer ... but lpd is not supported by this cheap printer, only Jet Direct :(
I decided to do it at revers and hook up the printer to my Xubuntu Box, and try to connect with lpd on the Mac. No more success and same error with PHERP


It will not work if there is no lpd server on the printer. Mostly big MFP will have them.
On smaller printer, there is a TCP 9100 "protocal" that used by HP and it became like a standard as well.
Unfortunately, this is not yet in PHERP. I was going to do this but one thing after another came up and I have no time.
Best guess is that it will only happen next year.

Anyway error 26 is exactly what you mention - no ACK from the lpd server.
Seems like PHERP can now connect to port 515 of the lpd server and had sent a request for printinng.
PHERP waiting for an OK to sent but either never got the OK or never got a reply, from the lpd server.

There are alot of Linux expert on this board. May be they can help out.
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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby Ato » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:11 am

Faucon2001 wrote:Ato : guessed right. What I was using was CUPS-lpd. Sorry I am a newbie on Linux :(


8)

Faucon2001 wrote:I did it and got something interesting, both on my Mac and with PHERP I can connect to the printer, but still not succeed to print. On the Mac, the file is sent, but not printed, I don't know where it went. On PHERP when doing a test print, I got : LPD Error did not get ACK from LPD server Err =26


OK, we're closing in. Let me just double-check something (again): you enabled lpd support of the CUPS daemon because it is a hassle to get LPD installed beside CUPS and CUPS comes with an LPD service anyway, right? Good. Then it is now time to check the error log of CUPS. The print job should appear in the access or page log and the error should appear in the error log. That should give us another clue.

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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby Faucon2001 » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:05 am

Thank you guys for your help and patience.
Well, I have to recognize that sometime I am an ass :oops:
Yesterday when I set up the LaserJet on my Xubuntu box and shared it with cups-lpd, the printer was not hooked to the usb port but connected to my router through Ethernet.

Today, I connected it directly to the usb port of my linux box, shared it with cups-lpd and guess what, PHERP recognize it ! :roll:
I was able to send the test page .... but, because there is a but, the printer after 5 min finally printed a page, which was not test.txt but the last one spooled in the printer (basically the HP test page sent by cups to test that my config was ok). I tried another text document and got the same page printed as previously.
In Cups tasks, I have a job for test.txt owned by PHSW which is declared to be printed successfully.
In the access log, I have an error message : client-error-document-format-not-supported
I also get the same error message when printing from my Mac with lpd, but this time no page is printed, the job is withheld and I have to cancel it manually.

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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby wongck » Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:15 pm

The test page is just a normal ASCII text file.

I guess it is some configuration in CUPS needed to support your printer, or the printer needs to be in a certain mode to work.
This should is done by CUPS itself.

You can easily test PHERP on the lpd server by pausing the printer so that the lpd server holds the spool.
Sent a print job to the lpd server - it will not print as the printer is paused.
But you can see the print job from PHERP via the VIEW QUEUE function.
You can also highlight and delete that job.

From the lpd server, you can look at the queue and see the job being deleted.

If these are all observable, then PHERP and lpd server are talking correctly.
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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby Faucon2001 » Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:19 am

Well, it works ! I have managed to print a document :D
Here is a short explanation how I did it.
After doing a last test as suggested by Wongck, pausing the printer, sending a print test and looking at the queue from PHERP, no jobs appeared. But in Cups queue, the job was present and of course withheld as the printer was off. Fed up, I reconnected the printer to my Mac and went googling about Cups OSX and found out that CUPS 1.4.7 from OSX 10.6.8 had lpd service broken :evil:

The solution was to downgrade the lpd service to 10.6.6 version using this script.
http://brianistech.wordpress.com/2011/0 ... sx-10-6-8/
Then, in CUPS web page ( localhost:631), go to Administration, Edit configuration file, and add lpd at the end of BrowseLocalProtocols to activate the service, which is deactivated by default. Save the config, restart CUPS et voila !
Important to mention, although it prints, no job appears in PHERP queue list. Maybe another CUPS weirdness.
I don't know if this issue is still present on later versions of OSX nor on other ports of CUPS, but it's clear that CUPS has some annoying bugs.

One bug that I have not managed to get rid of, is that every time I print a document, a CUPS Cover Page is printed. I have checked that the Banner was off in printer.conf and Cups web page, which is the case (JobSheets none none), but can't get rid of this page. Help me to save trees :wink:

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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby wongck » Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:35 pm

Faucon2001 wrote:appeared. But in Cups queue, the job was present and of course withheld as the printer was off. Fed up, I reconnected the printer to my Mac and went googling about Cups OSX and found out that CUPS 1.4.7 from OSX 10.6.8 had lpd service broken :evil:

The solution was to downgrade the lpd service to 10.6.6 version using this script.


LOL.... they could have posted a large warning banner on their download page...

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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby DarkLord » Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:47 pm

You know, I can remember when CUPS was first integrated into one of the
earlier Mandriva Linux releases.

I always had trouble with it.
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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby Ato » Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:49 pm

Thing with CUPS is that when it works, it works. When it don't, it won't. CUPS is a real pita when it comes to updates screwing up a working system. The good old times when lpd was around (and you had a Postscript printer - but who didn't|doesn't :) ) were better!

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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - GEM lpr client éèé

Postby wongck » Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:00 pm

Ato wrote: when it works, it works. When it don't, it won't.


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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - now with direct RAW protocol

Postby wongck » Sun Feb 09, 2014 2:28 pm

Updated version of PH ERP v1.1 now with RAW protocol.

RAW protocol allows direct print to your networked printer without the need of any server in between.
Most networked printer has RAW protocol as it's default protocol , so as soon as you plug in the network and turn it on, it should work.
As with the LPR mode, it the printout needs to be in PDL format that your remote printer understand. This is normally PCL which NVDI does.

Removed the buggy folder monitoring feature from this version. So you need to drag and drop the file to print on the window/icon now.

As usual, get it from Probe House Software
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PH Easy Remote Print - RAW, LPD & now Google Cloud Print

Postby wongck » Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:32 pm

Updated PHERP to version 2.0.
- added Google Cloud Print
- added back the folder monitoring

With Google Cloud Print, you can now sent pirnt jobs to any printer around the world from your Atari.
Accepts PDF, JPEG, PNG, DOC, XLS, PPT, RTF, HTML, TEXT and Postscript files and prints it on the cloud printer.
Converts files to PDF format on Google Drive.

Article on Google Cloud Print.

Get PHERP from PHSW Software page.

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Re: PH Easy Remote Print - RAW, LPD and now Google Cloud Pri

Postby Dal » Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:44 pm

Very nice solution to printing to modern printers!

I love this idea and will try it to my network laser.
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