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Most current "Popular" configs in Atari-land

Postby AtariSociety » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:28 pm

Having been out of the Atari scene for a very long time (since the mid 90s) and just this year getting back into Atari, it has me wondering what the most current "popular" configs of Atari systems are the norm now. Back when I left Atari for the Mac platform for professional use, I was last on a Mega 2 ST pimping a Spectre GCR to run various Mac apps and was still running TOS 1.2 with various "quick" ST enhancements that made the OS seem faster and the icons look nicer than stock GEM, etc.... I am sure A Lot has changed.

It seems the Falcon was the machine that people have been updating and mentions of the CT60 upgrades and all that I am sure has kept the Atari somewhat updated over the years. How about the OS? Back then TOS 1.x was the thing. What is the TOS of today? Or is TOS out the door and some other TOS based OS has taken reigns?

So, if I was to try and be updated today in the Atari world, what is the current highest end Atari that people use or strive to have? Maybe certain OS enhancements are now the norm and the CT60 is still the big kahuna.

So, spec a Atari system for me with the enhancements that would make the Atari the tip top it can be now in 2010.

I do know about the FireBee and looks like a sweet board.

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Postby nativ » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:36 pm

A Good base ST system would be

ATARI STE 4MB
UltraSatan
Mag!C operating System

There are Emulator patched versions of Tos available, there are several replacement desktops.

It would be nice to turn Spectre GCR into a software based system as even in the Mac world the ROM's OS files are freely distributed.

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Re: Most current "Popular" configs in Atari-land

Postby AtariSociety » Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:53 pm

nativ wrote:A Good base ST system would be

ATARI STE 4MB
UltraSatan
Mag!C operating System

There are Emulator patched versions of Tos available, there are several replacement desktops.

It would be nice to turn Spectre GCR into a software based system as even in the Mac world the ROM's OS files are freely distributed.

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So, is this Mag!c OS something one can still buy or is it free? Is there a web site that supports this Mag!c?

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Postby teh3pwner » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:15 pm

Here's Magic 5.03, there is also a newer version, but i don't have it.
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Postby wongck » Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:33 am

macsociety wrote:So, is this Mag!c OS something one can still buy or is it free? Is there a web site that supports this Mag!c?

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Re: Most current "Popular" configs in Atari-land

Postby Frank B » Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:31 pm

4 meg STE with TOS 1.6x and no hard disk. I'd say that's the most standard config these days.
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Postby nativ » Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:58 pm

teh3pwner wrote:Here's Magic 5.03, there is also a newer version, but i don't have it.


Which Language version is this?

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Postby teh3pwner » Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:33 am

nativ wrote:
teh3pwner wrote:Here's Magic 5.03, there is also a newer version, but i don't have it.


Which Language version is this?

Thanks


It's English. :D
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Postby paul92706 » Wed Aug 24, 2011 4:35 am

teh3pwner wrote:Here's Magic 5.03, there is also a newer version, but i don't have it.

hi there, how do i unpack this file? or is it apart of an installation program? thanks


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Postby Dal » Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:45 am

It's a RAR archive. For Windows, use WinRAR or 7Zip, or for Mac use UnRARX
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Postby DarkLord » Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:22 pm

Dal wrote:It's a RAR archive. For Windows, use WinRAR or 7Zip, or for Mac use UnRARX


And for those who are enlightened and use Linux, use "unrar"... :)
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Postby paul92706 » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:08 pm

Dal wrote:It's a RAR archive. For Windows, use WinRAR or 7Zip, or for Mac use UnRARX

hey dal, do you happen to have the program WinRAR or link? thanks buddy!
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Postby majere » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:37 pm

Just type "winrar" in google 8)
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Postby wongck » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:37 pm

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Postby paul92706 » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:43 pm

wongck wrote:http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm
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Postby wongck » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:52 pm

paul92706 wrote:
wongck wrote:http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm

thanks wongck ur awesome ;)


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Postby wongck » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:52 pm

majere wrote:Just type "winrar" in google 8)
guess that would have worked too.
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Postby alexh » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:27 am

teh3pwner wrote:Here's Magic 5.03, there is also a newer version, but i don't have it.


Here is a copy of the last version 6.2.0, cracked by Elite (Marcer) in 2001.

http://rapidshare.com/files/386618031/M ... _Elite.zip

This is the homepage

http://www.application-systems.de/magic/

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Postby majere » Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:11 am

alexh wrote:
teh3pwner wrote:Here's Magic 5.03, there is also a newer version, but i don't have it.


Here is a copy of the last version 6.2.0, cracked by Elite (Marcer) in 2001.

http://rapidshare.com/files/386618031/M ... _Elite.zip


Thanks, it's useful to me too :D
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Postby bid » Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:41 pm

On my standard ST I use singletasking for music and games, and multitasking for everything else.

MegaST4 configs
a. Built in TOS 1.4 and crappy desktop
b. Softload TOS 2.06X enhanced!! Runs great with some extra apps, like NVDI, deskpic and a few accessories
c. MAGIC with Ease Desktop. Nice for the old multitasking

Atari TT030
a. Built in TOS 3.01 and yes, its a but buggy and crappy
b. MAGIC and JINNEE desktop. And IMHO the best combo ever. Faster than Mint, and really really great.

I don't understand the obsession with Mint as a panacea for everything. Magic is great, especially with Jinnee, and I really cant see any limitations of this system. Its amazingly stable, easy to install and excellent compatibility with software. But single TOS is needed if plugging the Atari into an actual MIDI instrument due to latency that you get with any multitaking OS. Hence the softloader is excellent, and I recommend people try TOS2.06X which is a modified TOS, that I believe was modded by the author that made Magic, and its got a faster AES and a few bugs ironed out. Hard disk access is really a lot faster than in TOS1.
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Postby bid » Sun Sep 18, 2011 4:41 pm

On my standard ST I use singletasking for music and games, and multitasking for everything else.

MegaST4 configs
a. Built in TOS 1.4 and crappy desktop
b. Softload TOS 2.06X enhanced!! Runs great with some extra apps, like NVDI, deskpic and a few accessories
c. MAGIC with Ease Desktop. Nice for the old multitasking

Atari TT030
a. Built in TOS 3.01 and yes, its a but buggy and crappy
b. MAGIC and JINNEE desktop. And IMHO the best combo ever. Faster than Mint, and really really great.

I don't understand the obsession with Mint as a panacea for everything. Magic is great, especially with Jinnee, and I really cant see any limitations of this system. Its amazingly stable, easy to install and excellent compatibility with software. But single TOS is needed if plugging the Atari into an actual MIDI instrument due to latency that you get with any multitaking OS. Hence the softloader is excellent, and I recommend people try TOS2.06X which is a modified TOS, that I believe was modded by the author that made Magic, and its got a faster AES and a few bugs ironed out. Hard disk access is really a lot faster than in TOS1.
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Postby Shredder11 » Sun Sep 18, 2011 6:54 pm

I have very little experience with MagiC and MiNT, so I am keeping an open mind for the time being. I do wonder which offers the best networking experience and features; I would casually assume that MiNT would be closer to a modern network experience, but then maybe I am just overlooking what MagiC has to offer?

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Postby joska » Sun Sep 18, 2011 7:47 pm

Shredder11 wrote:I have very little experience with MagiC and MiNT, so I am keeping an open mind for the time being. I do wonder which offers the best networking experience and features; I would casually assume that MiNT would be closer to a modern network experience, but then maybe I am just overlooking what MagiC has to offer?


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Postby bid » Sun Sep 18, 2011 8:50 pm

Yes, the Mint setup is far superior when it comes to networking. And as Magic is closed source and not developed or developable any more, there is and was no way to add this.

I dont personally do any networking on the ST or TT beyond using the serial ports to transmit data from one to the other, or to transfer using Hyperterminal from the PC. And actually I do this in plain TOS. There are networking layers that work with Magic, but they are nothing like that of Mint.

However, my personal use does not involve using the ST or TT for networking, as I cant imagine that my stock ST or TT would now be of any real use now for using networking applications. At least for me, using internet and other tools like this is confined to the PC. Im even using the PC to type this :oops:

If I had a CT60 or a powerful Atari clone, I think that I would consider that I would like to use the advanced power, and even be able to enjoy for example the kinds of tools available on the PC and Linux for networking. Including very functional web browsers etc.

So I should say, that if I wanted to use networking, then Magic would be limited... But saying that. I do have a Netusbee that needs repairing that I was given as a gift, and once repairs are complete (i.e. when I have time), I should like to find out if Magic is usable for basic web browsing using TCP/IP

I realise that the TCP/IP stack in Mint is extreemly advanced, usable and modern. And I can't wait until I have a machine capable of making use of the networking capability! I used to use Unix when I was at University (almost 1o years ago now!!) and had a lot of fun with these machines. They were built from the ground up to network, right from command prompt there were very powerful tools and a lot of fun could be had, if you knew what you were doing! I think it would be great fun to get back into this using the Atari.

I would also imagine that I could set up a nice network with machines that are Atari and non-Atari very easily.

But for the moment, my main use is MIDI applications, games, and music editing and maybe a bit of playing about with the old software that I love. So, when I am not forced to use single tasking OS, of which I have to say that on the plain ST, the Martin Osieka enhanced TOS2.06X makes life easier. And if I have a lot of file copying, or am editing things and not actually sequencing and want to access multiple packages, or generally work more quickly, I must say that I do find Magic extreemly convenient and stable.

My TT is probably more than capable of running a nice Mint system, maybe and I think that once my Netusbee is working (needs some soldering work, and components replacing) then I think that I will join you in the Mint brigade!! I was also limited as my TT, which I found in a terrible state of repair, had only 2MB, so again, I think 8MB would be an absolute minimum for running Mint.

I think that the answer for what is the right system, does depend on the machine. And for example a ST would certainly run a full Magic setup quite well, but would struggle with Mint. And my TT with Jinnee flys with Magic on there. Its crazy fast. And I was surprised how well the Mega ST4 runs in high res using this. But yeah, I realise that if I wanted networking or a OS under active development, I will have to go to MInt... and I no-doubt will when the time is right!! :D
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Postby joska » Sun Sep 18, 2011 10:26 pm

bid wrote:However, my personal use does not involve using the ST or TT for networking, as I cant imagine that my stock ST or TT would now be of any real use now for using networking applications. At least for me, using internet and other tools like this is confined to the PC. Im even using the PC to type this :oops:

If I had a CT60 or a powerful Atari clone, I think that I would consider that I would like to use the advanced power, and even be able to enjoy for example the kinds of tools available on the PC and Linux for networking. Including very functional web browsers etc.


I haven't used a webbrowser on my Ataris for more than 10 years. An Atari (or clone) will never again be usable for general surfing. However, I use networking all the time, mostly for filesharing, backups, ftp and cvs.
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