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Re: Falcon 030 Microbox board

Postby Dark Willow » Tue Feb 28, 2012 7:12 pm

Mal7921 wrote:There is as all page over at the Atari Museum on the SST, though does not say much more about the machine than basic specs. Would have been interesting to see, though likelihood is that it was lost or destroyed at some point.

http://www.atarimuseum.com/computers/16bits/est.html


From the specs I'd wager it is an early take on what would become the TT. The TT was originally going to have a 68020 (some articles say 68010) and did see a System V implementation, and the improved shifter features in the final system as well.

nativ wrote:Lets face it, Atari spread themselves too thinly and made some stupid decisions, for example developing a piece of hardware up to the point of production then pulling it at the last minute (Panther). All that money wasted, had it been released it may well have at least paid for itself if not allowed for cashflow within the company. Instead they relaunched the STfm at £99 in the UK into a retail channel clogged with unsold STe's claiming they were going after the console buyers.


I think in terms of the range of markets they were involved in they were on the right track - but had no idea of how they got into them or what to do in order to build on that pot-luck.The amount of hardware designs was, I agree, completely OTT when one considers how few of them ever saw the light of day or cannibalised one another both in terms of sales and for resources, and I agree merging it with the STe would have been a good idea to be produce an integrated family of 16-bit consoles and computers, as happened way too late with the XE and XEGS!

The 8-bit line up around 1989 was a real mess. The 2600jr was cannibalising the 7800 and should have been axed, but it still left the messy problem of two 8-bit platforms (XE/XEGS vs. 7800) which were incompatible, which put a lot of software publishers in an awkard position. Given the technical superiority of the XE/XEGS, pulling the 7800 and actually promoting the XE and XEGS as an integrated and compatible complete 8-bit family would have been one approach, and producing a Sega Master System Converter style plug-in adapter to allow the XE/XEGS to play 2600 carts, leaving the 8-bit lineup like this:

XEGS - 8-bit game console with all the classics.
65XE - Low cost educational computer, bundle it with educational and programming software.
130XE - Low cost SOHO / Student system (competting against the Amstrad PCW8xxx). Bundle it with productivity software and disk drive, and as a mega-bundle with an XMM801 printer and monitor.

Once the Panther/STe was out, the STfm and Megas should have been discontinued to stop them cannibalising the STe/Panther. The Mega STe (Panther/STe with internal SCSI and VME) should have had a much lower price point than it did to actually make it truly competitive.

The same thing should have happened with the Falcon and Jaguar (JaguFalc?!). One thing I would have liked to seen Atari do is really plug into the audio market niche it had created, and that C-LAB sort of realised. A "toughbook" style JaguFalc for fieldwork audio/multimedia with proper audio connectors including dual XLR ports and built in video-capture hardware using the DSP. It could had made a good STacy replacement - especially if Atari actually you know... did something with the AppleTalk LAN port :roll:
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Re: Falcon 030 Microbox board

Postby wongck » Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:35 pm

Dark Willow wrote:The TT was originally going to have a 68020 (some articles say 68010) and did see a System V implementation, and the improved shifter features in the final system as well.


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Re: Falcon 030 Microbox board

Postby nativ » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:22 am

DARKWILLOW XEGS - 8-bit game console with all the classics.
65XE - Low cost educational computer, bundle it with educational and programming software.
130XE - Low cost SOHO / Student system (competting against the Amstrad PCW8xxx). Bundle it with productivity software and disk drive, and as a mega-bundle with an XMM801 printer and monitor.

Once the Panther/STe was out, the STfm and Megas should have been discontinued to stop them cannibalising the STe/Panther. The Mega STe (Panther/STe with internal SCSI and VME) should have had a much lower price point than it did to actually make it truly competitive.

The same thing should have happened with the Falcon and Jaguar (JaguFalc?!). One thing I would have liked to seen Atari do is really plug into the audio market niche it had created, and that C-LAB sort of realised. A "toughbook" style JaguFalc for fieldwork audio/multimedia with proper audio connectors including dual XLR ports and built in video-capture hardware using the DSP. It could had made a good STacy replacement - especially if Atari actually you know... did something with the AppleTalk LAN port

nice ideas

I especially approve of the VCS > XE adapter, and the PCW opponent. Logo was apparently a fine incarnation on the XE.

Doing this might have opened up a Lynx / XE home system.

They were obviously trying to keep a lucrative 2600 back catalogue alive, it's only since Stella emulator that the archive has come alive again.

Perhaps a different feedback system would have helped? I have recently tried with M$ forum and gotten nowhere and Apple support and been led round in circles :lol:

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Re: Falcon 030 Microbox board

Postby calimero » Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:39 am

@nativ

why do you say: Panther/STe ?

Panther should be console with ST as basis and coupled with Blossom video card from ATW/Abaq. it predate Jaguar.

http://www.homecomputer.de/pages/panther.html

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Re: Falcon 030 Microbox board

Postby mikro » Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:40 pm

KLund1 wrote:I was cruising through the Computer History Museum web site and saw this, & the case for it.

Strange thing is that I was there in 2012, hungry for any Atari-related items and while there was a solid number of them, I'm pretty sure I would have noticed something like this and took a detailed photo. I wonder whether they still have it?

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Re: Falcon 030 Microbox board

Postby KLund1 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:23 pm

I'm sure they have it but is in storage. They do not show any prototpye units of 80's computers in visible storage.
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Re: Falcon 030 Microbox board

Postby mikro » Tue Aug 28, 2018 9:41 pm

True. They even refused to provide photos of it for a fee even though they normally offer such service.

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Re: Falcon 030 Microbox board

Postby calimero » Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:07 am

mikro wrote:True. They even refused to provide photos of it for a fee even though they normally offer such service.

So somebody already ask them (via email?) for such thing?

Does anybody know personally someone from computerhistory.org ?

We could contact Leonard Tramiel via FaceBook and ask him to ask computerhistory.org for hi-res photos of boards ?
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Re: Falcon 030 Microbox board

Postby mikro » Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:12 am

calimero wrote:So somebody already ask them (via email?) for such thing?

Yes, me. :)
We could contact Leonard Tramiel via FaceBook and ask him to ask computerhistory.org for hi-res photos of boards ?

Unlikely he would even respond not to mention doing you any favours (esp. for a gift *he* had given to them) but you can always try.

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Re: Falcon 030 Microbox board

Postby troed » Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:07 am

I've interacted with Leonard in the Atari Museum FB-group. He's somewhat active there and seems happy enough about the retro interest in Atari.

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Re: Falcon 030 Microbox board

Postby theimann » Wed Aug 29, 2018 2:39 pm

For what it's worth, I travel to Mountain View on a frequent basis. Google (my employer) is a major sponsor of the museum (which is super close to Google's main campus) and I could try and talk to them when I'm back there in October.

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Re: Falcon 030 Microbox board

Postby calimero » Wed Aug 29, 2018 4:57 pm

theimann wrote: Google (my employer) is a major sponsor of the museum (which is super close to Google's main campus)


ah, then it is understandable that: "They even refused to provide photos of it for a fee even though they normally offer such service." :D


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Re: Falcon 030 Microbox board

Postby Rustynutt » Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:04 am

While many in the U.S. were awaiting our Falcon order with Toad Computers, Jennifer said a few times getting the Falcon RF interference certified was a substantial cause of the delayed release.
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Re: Falcon 030 Microbox board

Postby dhedberg » Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:34 pm

Rustynutt wrote:While many in the U.S. were awaiting our Falcon order with Toad Computers, Jennifer said a few times getting the Falcon RF interference certified was a substantial cause of the delayed release.
I miss Toad Computer :(

Seems like Atari had problems with the FCC a few times. I read somewhere that the reason the TT was delayed was due to interference as well.
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Postby DarkLord » Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:27 pm

Rustynutt wrote:While many in the U.S. were awaiting our Falcon order with Toad Computers, Jennifer said a few times getting the Falcon RF interference certified was a substantial cause of the delayed release.
I miss Toad Computer :(


I loved Toad Computer and Dave and Jennifer and Ray and....

I can still remember them calling me when they got their first
shipment of Jaguars in.

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Re: Falcon 030 Microbox board

Postby Rustynutt » Mon Sep 10, 2018 2:02 am

Jennifer passed me onto Ray once troubleshooting the Expose card :) We talked for a bit, not really much about the card.
Remember talking about some Falcon hardware add on, he asked "Dose it run Mule?" If not..... :)
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Re: Falcon 030 Microbox board

Postby KLund1 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:57 pm

My employer is also a major sponsor of the CHM. Fry's. We're in N. San Jose, about 5 miles from it. I'm a bit friendly with a couple of the curators there. They are the couple that wrote Atari Basic, and Atari Assembler cartridge programs.
If I can find time over a lunch sometime, I could go up there. I hope they'd be working at the same time? They might be willing to let me take some good pictures.
Probably better to get their names first, and call ahead to see when they work.....
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Re: Falcon 030 Microbox board

Postby dhedberg » Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:22 pm

KLund1 wrote:If I can find time over a lunch sometime, I could go up there. I hope they'd be working at the same time? They might be willing to let me take some good pictures.

That'd be awesome! I certainly hope that you succeed! :-)
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