Do YM Sound Modules Exist?

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Do YM Sound Modules Exist?

Postby Neild323 » Sun Aug 27, 2017 1:59 pm

Hello again peeps!
My dream is to own a YM/Chiptune device which could act as a module for use in a DAW (I'm using ableton). This is because I want to create my own synths & be able to edit parameters within my DAW (sequence changes in the sound like, switching arpeggio lengths during the timeline, vary vibrato amounts, what ever modulation relevant which I could draw in or record using perhaps assigned knobs on my midi keyboard as a bonus). Is there anything homebrew or commercially available yet?

A great chap on here introduced me to twisted electron's AY-3, but I don't think it supports a DAW, it seems like its only able to be sequenced on the device itself, although I sent the manufacturer a quick email to ask if it'd be possible to sequence parameters of each synth within a DAW through midi, but haven't heard back (from what I understand it doesn't seem possible with the AY3).

So the last option is to get an AY-3 MK2, but I won't be able to sequence it within ableton & would have to record any complicated/skilled trickery in real time in order to get the sound down. I've been brought up on cubase & sound modules like Roland Super JV & Fantom XR, I thought that by now there would be something similar, chip specific which could allow me to tweak a whole set of parameters & perhaps even set 16 sound banks of different synths & YM drums?

I tried Gwem's VST emulator but it'll only work on windows. I also thought of buying a MiST so I could record the output in the same BPM & transport that into ableton, but I'd still be keen to know if theres anything I can get which is compatible with midi in this way, & flexible enough to bend & twist the YM sound to your hearts desire? Or perhaps I'm just too much of a dreamer!

Often when I think of things like this, someone invents it around the time I wanting one. Hoping that's happened already or they're still on it...

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Re: Do YM Sound Modules Exist?

Postby farvardin » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:02 pm

Have you had a look to this?
https://github.com/trash80/Ym2149Synth

I don't know if you can control it from a DAW though.

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Re: Do YM Sound Modules Exist?

Postby dma » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:14 pm

Actually the most simple way to achieve this, is probably to use a real ST with software to control its YM2149 chip from MIDI input.

Possible software candidate would be maxYMiser (pretty sure some MIDI IN configuration can achieve this),
or Electric Cow Sound Chip Synth (but website seems down).

Also check those threads covering the same subject:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=7095
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=15972
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=23256

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Re: Do YM Sound Modules Exist?

Postby YQN » Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:03 am

dma wrote:Actually the most simple way to achieve this, is probably to use a real ST with software to control its YM2149 chip from MIDI input.

Possible software candidate would be maxYMiser (pretty sure some MIDI IN configuration can achieve this),

I was going to suggest that. You'll have to spend some time on sound design on the ST first (or use the provided instruments). Check gwEm's tutorials (on that preroman ink above and on youtube) to have a better grasp on what you can and cannot do with MIDI and maxYMiser. I made this track a few years ago using Reaper, Reason and an ST, I don't remember having problem setting that up.

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Re: Do YM Sound Modules Exist?

Postby YQN » Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:05 am

You can as well use an emulator with MIDI support

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Re: Do YM Sound Modules Exist?

Postby Atari74user » Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:17 pm

Hey there, what makes you think the AY-3 cannot be sequenced? I don't see any reason why it cannot. As per the very brief specs, it can be controlled via MIDI CC messages, so I don't see any reason why it cannot be sequenced using an external sequencer or DAW. I agree, how in depth it can be controlled is not forthcoming in it's specs, but in terms of it being sequenced, it has MIDI, it accepts being controlled via CC messages, so it should be able to be sequenced.

The manual also shows some of the MIDI control: http://cdns3.gear4music.com/media/22/228605/download_228605.pdf

Also, I bought one of these about 2 months ago, I am still in flux after a house move, so my little studio is still in boxes, however it looks a cool little YM sound module, more limiting than the AY-3, but pure YM:

https://catskullelectronics.com/YM2149

This is the one that Farvardin mentions in this thread, which the guy at Catskull used to build his version:

Have you had a look to this?
https://github.com/trash80/Ym2149Synth
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Re: Do YM Sound Modules Exist?

Postby Atari74user » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:51 pm

There is also the Papilio RetroCade which incorporates both C64 SID and YM2149 chip recreation: http://retrocade.gadgetfactory.net/
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