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Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby Arick91 » Fri May 17, 2013 2:21 pm

Hello All, I'm new on this forum, i'm actualy working on a Soundchip Ripper, i put here a link to my FTP, i hope it could be useful for some musician http://arick91.free.fr/atari/
All midi files are directly ripped from the original SNDH's files. Bye.

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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby dma » Fri May 17, 2013 3:48 pm

Welcome.

That kind of program could always come handy.
The resulting conversions are interesting, as these seem exploitable for remixing (note data).

So thanks for working on this!

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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby bullis1 » Fri May 17, 2013 7:51 pm

I'm really really impressed with the MIDI data you managed to rip. I hope you plan on making this tool publicly available some day. Great work and welcome to the forum :cheers:
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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby nativ » Fri May 17, 2013 7:58 pm

Any util That can Rip MOD / YM /SNDH / Quartet / etc to MIDI is a winner! Great too if you can convert it back!! :idea: 8)
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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby BoNuS » Sat May 18, 2013 9:50 am

Sounds great indeed. These midi files can be played on a Atari also ?
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( I have just to much Atari stuff)

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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby Stefan jL » Tue May 21, 2013 6:34 pm

BoNuS wrote: These midi files can be played on a Atari also ?


These seems to be SMF files so just use your favourite SMF player on the ST :)

Arick91: Are they made for General MIDI standard? Or any special midi module?
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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby bullis1 » Tue May 21, 2013 6:38 pm

Stefan jL wrote:Arick91: Are they made for General MIDI standard? Or any special midi module?

It seems that instrument data is not converted (which makes perfect sense) and all tracks just default to GM piano or something similar.
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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby Stefan jL » Tue May 21, 2013 7:22 pm

I did only check a few midis and they did play other instruments than piano, but now i have checked more of them and they are most likely not for GM :) And as you said Bullis1 so do some of them have no program change event at all.
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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby Arick91 » Tue May 21, 2013 9:44 pm

Hello all,
Well, my ripping process generate one file for each track and instruments used in the soundchip song, after that i put all together with Cakewalk, build the drum line and sometime i change track's instrument just to check if it sound like the original score, and i save the result with cakewalk's default setting, so i think it's in GM format.

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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby Stefan jL » Thu May 23, 2013 6:30 pm

I played the "Gigatex" on my Yamaha MU100 with some changed instrument sounds by me.... i am not a musician though and was of course limited to the sounds of the MU100.
Sounds like this: gigatex_midi_mu100edit.mp3

Arick91.. you must put a lot of work in doing those midis? I mean it is not really an automatic process to convert the ST music to midi format.
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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby Arick91 » Thu May 23, 2013 10:05 pm

Yes, extracting the soundchip's scores isn't an easy task, each composer have his own music format.

Your MU100 sounds nice ;), I've tryed to remix this one with Reason.

http://arick91.free.fr/atari/MyRemixedMP3/Scavenger_PYM_LeifRular_RemixedbyArick91.mp3

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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby charles » Thu May 23, 2013 11:22 pm

some of you sound like you thought this was not possible before .
anyhow i specialize in midi and midi programs ,love the interest and the event structure

here is one i think all will make use of

arick1 do you feel like making your program better ,i can assist?
what formats can you convert allready?

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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby dma » Fri May 24, 2013 8:42 am

Arick91 : By the way, in Mad Max Buzzer tune, there's a special melodic detuned SID effect at 1:39.
It results in two different notes on a single voice. And then only one note is transcribed in your MIDI conversion.

By the way, if you work on the original music data, including maxYMiser format to your converter would probably be very simple.
http://www.preromanbritain.com/maxymiser/

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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby bullis1 » Fri May 24, 2013 11:41 am

charles wrote:some of you sound like you thought this was not possible before .
anyhow i specialize in midi and midi programs ,love the interest and the event structure

Well I think that's because the formats supported by MidiMusicMaker all store their notes and data in a logical MIDI-like way so it's easier to convert to MIDI data I believe.

I'm impressed by Arick's work because the YM2149 itself does not have any concept of musical notes etc. and alot of the chip music replay routines are doing some very complex manipulation of the YM to achieve musical results. The YM2149 was never designed as much more than a buzzer/beeper at all really.
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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby dma » Fri May 24, 2013 12:35 pm

bullis1 wrote:I'm impressed by Arick's work because the YM2149 itself does not have any concept of musical notes etc. and alot of the chip music replay routines are doing some very complex manipulation of the YM to achieve musical results. The YM2149 was never designed as much more than a buzzer/beeper at all really.

Actually he seems to rely on original music data, not YM output, according to his latest post :
Arick91 wrote:Yes, extracting the soundchip's scores isn't an easy task, each composer have his own music format.

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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby bullis1 » Fri May 24, 2013 3:15 pm

dma wrote:Actually he seems to rely on original music data, not YM output, according to his latest post :

That's what I was trying to get at but didn't explain properly. Some YM music data looks like not much more than compiled ASM. Basically I'm impressed by the work so far but I really want to see what the tool is like or find out how it works/what it does exactly.
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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby dma » Fri May 24, 2013 3:52 pm

Oh OK, my bad. :)

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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby Arick91 » Sat May 25, 2013 5:58 am

French mode:
:) Mon idée de base etant de faire des remix de musique soundchip, je n'ai pas cherché a reproduire les effets tel que les sid voices, en fait je n'ai rippé que les elements de bases et vu que
m'a connaissance du protocole midi est assez limitée je n'ai pas encore implanté la gestion des portamento/glissando ou PitchBend. Pour en revenir aux sid voices, maintenant que tu m'as expliqué la chose, je regarderai comment Madmax a codé ca dans son player.

All SNDH Soundchip Files have a player coded in 68k language followed by music's datas, so i've disassembled the player for understanding how the data are coded and used by the player , it's not easy but not so difficult because i just rip the score's data, all complex calculation are done after by the soundchip replay program:
note number --> ym frequencies corresponding table --> calculations (Volume+frequencies modulations+many other things) --> output

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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby lotek_style » Sat May 25, 2013 8:45 am

Nice tool... maybe I'll do some remixes now :)
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Re: Music Soundchip Ripper

Postby dma » Mon May 27, 2013 7:26 am

lotek_style wrote:Nice tool... maybe I'll do some remixes now :)

Yes please! :)


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