Is ST the chiptune computer of choice?

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Is ST the chiptune computer of choice?

Postby robaq » Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:20 pm

First of all, hello, this is my first post.
I'm a beginner chiptune artist, and I stared to look for some authentic sound chip to focus on.
As it's kinda obvious, the chip which fascinates me the most is the ym2149/ay-3-8910, so naturally i became interested in the Atari ST series.
However, most of the people recommend the SID and i really don't know if its because its really the best sound chip invented, or its because of all the stupid hype that surrounds the SID and C64. So I came here because i believe that atari guys are the least biased in the retro computer world (but maybe im wrong :D).
I am currently reasoning between ST and C64, and as far my insight is that the C64 is cheap and widely available, opposed to ST which is kinda rare. ST wins at the software because the maxYMiser is just the best tracker i've tried so far, while all the C64 ones seem to be kinda hard to work with. I won't be comparing the sound because i feel making it good is a composer's job.
Also, I skipped the POKEY because AFAIK it's the most difficult chip to make music on (and the Amiga Paula chip because its just poo for chiptune in my opinion) but I'm open for suggestions (ZX128 maybe?).

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Re: Is ST the chiptune computer of choice?

Postby simonsunnyboy » Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:14 pm

Hello and welcome aboard!

I won't comment on what is the best but from a pure technical point of view, the ST is interesting for chip music because it has comparatively much computing power at hand (multiple timer interrupts, 8Mhz CPU speed) and is easy to program. The result is pretty impressive chip sound. (at the cost of other effects, you can make the ST do cool chip sound but waste all 100% of processing time.)

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Re: Is ST the chiptune computer of choice?

Postby 030falcon030 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:47 am

SN76489 :lol:
hmmm:/
I have an ste 4mb... with a 20mb powerdrive slimline and a cumana external fdd.
And a falcon 14mb w/ ct63 + ctpci

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Re: Is ST the chiptune computer of choice?

Postby jwalshy » Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:07 pm

Another thing to take into consideration is the support network for MaxYmiser and the ST in general. There are always posts and discussions on here an other Atari forums concerning the chip and maxYmiser.

Let us know how you get on!

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Re: Is ST the chiptune computer of choice?

Postby dma » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:11 pm

Yes, maxYMiser, with all its features, capabilities and usability, makes the ST a marvellous chipmusic system. ;)

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Re: Is ST the chiptune computer of choice?

Postby bullis1 » Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:14 am

Well, genuine OPL3 with AT2 (http://www.adlibtracker.net) is probably the king and is very accessible.

YM2149 with MusicMon or MaxYMiser is certainly a very, very close runner-up.
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Re: Is ST the chiptune computer of choice?

Postby Steven Seagal » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:15 pm

robaq wrote:As it's kinda obvious, the chip which fascinates me the most is the ym2149/ay-3-8910, so naturally i became interested in the Atari ST series.
However, most of the people recommend the SID and i really don't know if its because its really the best sound chip invented, or its because of all the stupid hype that surrounds the SID and C64.


C64/SID is fine too, it's a matter of preference, not of which is best.
If you feel drawn to the YM-2149, of course Atari ST is the computer of choice. It's a tad more versatile too, I think.
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Re: Is ST the chiptune computer of choice?

Postby FedePede04 » Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:20 am

i think that the two biggest flaw with the ST was the max 16 colors in low resolutions, and the YM chip they could at lest had put two in it :), but that said i really like the sound of the YM2149.
it was so clean comparer to the Amiga, i still have nightmare over the guitar that was use so many places in amiga games like Xenon I :lol:

i my mind the most advanced sound chip in any home computer was the Sid chip.
and like some already pointing you could do many of the c64 things on the ST but it cost some Cpu time.
but in the end i have to agree with Steven that its a matter of preference.

on the PC i really liked the OPL III Chip, so i did a couple of player for that :)
and bullis1 in my book my old DOS player had the greatest opl3 sound for it time, because i did not sounded like all the others :D

here are some pure OPLIII music on samples only synths.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/308 ... %20III.wav
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/308 ... 0OplII.wav
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Re: Is ST the chiptune computer of choice?

Postby bullis1 » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:41 pm

FedePede04 wrote:on the PC i really liked the OPL III Chip, so i did a couple of player for that :)
and bullis1 in my book my old DOS player had the greatest opl3 sound for it time, because i did not sounded like all the others :D

Very true! So many FM trackers just produced the same effects and sounded a bit flat. The examples of yours that I've heard before were very impressive. However, AT2 now has surpassed it I think with its macros and dual-effect columns. It took many years to do so though!
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Re: Is ST the chiptune computer of choice?

Postby FedePede04 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 9:23 pm

bullis1 wrote:
FedePede04 wrote:on the PC i really liked the OPL III Chip, so i did a couple of player for that :)
and bullis1 in my book my old DOS player had the greatest opl3 sound for it time, because i did not sounded like all the others :D

Very true! So many FM trackers just produced the same effects and sounded a bit flat. The examples of yours that I've heard before were very impressive. However, AT2 now has surpassed it I think with its macros and dual-effect columns. It took many years to do so though!


Thx for liking the sound of the program :cheers:
yes it is surpass in many ways today, and it does not help that it was not the last version that survived :lol:
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Re: Is ST the chiptune computer of choice?

Postby yerzmyey » Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:01 pm

Robaq:

> First of all, hello, this is my first post.
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Yo.

> I'm a beginner chiptune artist, and I stared to look for some authentic sound chip to focus on.
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A very good move. VST suck big time.

> As it's kinda obvious, the chip which fascinates me the most is the ym2149/ay-3-8910, so naturally i became interested in the Atari ST series. However, most of the people recommend the SID and i really don't know if its because its really the best sound chip invented, or its because of all the stupid hype that surrounds the SID and C64.
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Surprisingly well-spoken.
It's hype.

> I am currently reasoning between ST and C64
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Don't hesitate and take both.

> ST wins at the software because the maxYMiser is just the best tracker i've tried so far, while all the C64 ones seem to be kinda hard to work with.
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Also true.
I even regret this. I would like one day to make a proper SID song. But with those utilities...

> but I'm open for suggestions (ZX128 maybe?).
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If You prefer to make 'clean sound' chiptunes, take ZX128.
http://ay-riders.speccy.cz/download/8bi ... oyages.mp3
Atari ST has no editors for this kind of AY operating.

If You wanna have really powerful sound with a lot of interesting possibilities (not that level of precision and delicacy 'though) - take some early Atari ST. https://soundcloud.com/cube-5/bullet-sequence
http://ym-digital.i-demo.pl/ ATARI 520ST music-band
http://ay-riders.speccy.cz/ ZX Spectrum music-band
http://yerzmyey.i-demo.pl/ ZX/A500/A1200/ST/XL music
https://soundcloud.com/yerzmyey ZX/A500/A1200/ST/STE/F030 music
http://z80.i-demo.pl/ MP3 archive of Z80 chip music
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Re: Is ST the chiptune computer of choice?

Postby Cyprian » Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:48 am

yerzmyey wrote:If You prefer to make 'clean sound' chiptunes, take ZX128.
http://ay-riders.speccy.cz/download/8bi ... oyages.mp3
Atari ST has no editors for this kind of AY operating.

actually, I thought that kind of sound is a basis of ST YM tools
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Re: Is ST the chiptune computer of choice?

Postby yerzmyey » Thu Feb 05, 2015 6:55 pm

And the basis are neglected.

For Spectrum it's top and it has top editors for it. The ZX Protracker 3.x is most sophisticated tool.
And yes, clean sound from YM does help too.
http://ym-digital.i-demo.pl/ ATARI 520ST music-band
http://ay-riders.speccy.cz/ ZX Spectrum music-band
http://yerzmyey.i-demo.pl/ ZX/A500/A1200/ST/XL music
https://soundcloud.com/yerzmyey ZX/A500/A1200/ST/STE/F030 music
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