Help Compiling TOS 2.06/2.08/3.06 in any language

[crashman]

Hi everyone.

I rediscovered this:

http://dev-docs.atariforge.org/files/tos306de.tar.bz2

It's is supposed the TOS source code for versions 2.06, 2.08 and 3.06.
It seems it has all the versions available to compile, in every language supported.
Here I hope to find the missing Spanish versions of tos 2.06 and 3.06.

But, there's always a but...
I'm unable to compile it, as I don't know a thing about C compilers.
Also I have noticed that the archive has long file-names on it, so I suppose it's not to be compiled on the Atari side...
It mentions something about Alcyon compiler... was that CP/M ?
http://www.retroarchive.org/cpm/archive/unofficial/gemworld.html

I beg you from some help...
Let us recover those unseen versions.
Thanks in advance!!!

[joska]

Getting this to compile with a "recent" C compiler would be quite a job I think... IIRC someone on the EmuTOS mailing list said he had managed to compile 3.06 with gcc recently, you might want to check the EmuTOS mailing list archive.

[ijor]

Is it really the original Atari source tree? I see some files say copyright EmuTOS team ???

[joska]

I'm not talking about EmuTOS, but TOS 3.06. Check the mailing list archives for the last few weeks, there was a guy saying he had compiled 3.06 with gcc.

[ijor]

I know you are not talking about EmuTOS. I am talking about the archive referenced by the OP at the first post in this thread. Some files in the archive are original Atari. Some seems not.

[BlankVector]

EmuTOS sources are legal, some of them come from Digital Research later released as GPL, and other legal sources, while other ones have been written from scratch by The EmuTOS development team. And everything has seriously been reworked, cleaned, improved. There is no code from Atari TOS in EmuTOS, as Atari never freed its sources.

On the other hand, we can't prevent people to speak about other stuff on the mailing list. Even if out of topics are discouraged.

[ijor]

Come on guys. Read what I posted. I am not talking about the EmuTOS sources. I know they are legal. I am talking about what is supposed to be the original Atari source code.

[troed]

Indeed. I think we need someone to explain what this archive really contains rather than guessing.

$ fgrep -R EmuTOS *
aes/crysbind.h: * 2002-2016 The EmuTOS development team
aes/gemwmlib.c: * 2002-2016 The EmuTOS development team
aes/gsxdefs.h: * Copyright (C) 2016 The EmuTOS development team
aes/struct88.h: * 2002-2016 The EmuTOS development team
alcyon/include/mint/cookie.h:#define C__CF_ 0x5F43465FL /* ColdFire, set by FireTOS and EmuTOS */
bios/startup.S: * startup.S - EmuTOS startup module
bios/startup.S: * Copyright (C) 2001-2016 by the EmuTOS development team
bios/tosvars.h: * Copyright (C) 2001-2016 The EmuTOS development team
common/asmdefs.h: * Copyright (C) 2001-2015 The EmuTOS development team
common/ctrycodes.h: * Copyright (C) 2003-2016 The EmuTOS development team
common/rom.ld: * based on linker script from EmuTOS
common/rom.ld: * Copyright (C) 2016 The EmuTOS development team
common/tosvars.S: * Copyright (c) 2005-2013 by the EmuTOS development team.
include/mint/cookie.h:#define C__CF_ 0x5F43465FL /* ColdFire, set by FireTOS and EmuTOS */

[exxos]

I don't know much about this stuff, if anything, but I looked though the sources the other day and found some odd comments, like someone had decompiled TOS and commented on stuff in the source code.

[BlankVector]

I know you are not talking about EmuTOS. I am talking about the archive referenced by the OP at the first post in this thread. Some files in the archive are original Atari. Some seems not.

I didn't look at that archive, I don't care about Atari Corp stuff.

But just in case, I must remind something: sources written by "The EmuTOS development team" have their own copyright, and are released under GPL. Hence they can be used by anyone for any private purpose, but redistribution to third-party people in binary form is restricted: GPL forbids to mix GPL and other incompatible sources in redistributed binaries. That's GPL basics. Better be warned than sorry (just in case).

[crashman]

Well, I just want to give a friend the Spanish version of Tos 2.06 and 3.06.
No more, no less.
Thanks for helping.

[1st1]

Indeed. I think we need someone to explain what this archive really contains rather than guessing.

$ fgrep -R EmuTOS *
aes/crysbind.h: * 2002-2016 The EmuTOS development team
aes/gemwmlib.c: * 2002-2016 The EmuTOS development team
aes/gsxdefs.h: * Copyright (C) 2016 The EmuTOS development team
aes/struct88.h: * 2002-2016 The EmuTOS development team
alcyon/include/mint/cookie.h:#define C__CF_ 0x5F43465FL /* ColdFire, set by FireTOS and EmuTOS */
bios/startup.S: * startup.S - EmuTOS startup module
bios/startup.S: * Copyright (C) 2001-2016 by the EmuTOS development team
bios/tosvars.h: * Copyright (C) 2001-2016 The EmuTOS development team
common/asmdefs.h: * Copyright (C) 2001-2015 The EmuTOS development team
common/ctrycodes.h: * Copyright (C) 2003-2016 The EmuTOS development team
common/rom.ld: * based on linker script from EmuTOS
common/rom.ld: * Copyright (C) 2016 The EmuTOS development team
common/tosvars.S: * Copyright (c) 2005-2013 by the EmuTOS development team.
include/mint/cookie.h:#define C__CF_ 0x5F43465FL /* ColdFire, set by FireTOS and EmuTOS */

But I see also different things, look for example aes.h in aes folder

/*
*************************************************************************
* Revision Control System
* =======================================================================
* $Author: mui $ $Date: 89/04/26 18:29:04 $
* =======================================================================
*
* Revision 2.2 89/04/26 18:29:04 mui
* TT
*
* Revision 2.1 89/02/22 05:02:47 kbad
* *** TOS 1.4 FINAL RELEASE VERSION ***
*
* Revision 1.5 89/02/16 18:01:27 kbad
* Moved M132 define here from flavor.h
*
* Revision 1.4 88/09/08 18:52:58 kbad
* Moved build-specific stuff to flavor.h
*
*
* Revision 1.3 88/08/02 13:02:49 kbad
* Set with parameters of 1.04d 8/1/88 build
* add DENMARK, fix NORWAY, FINLAND
*
* Revision 1.2 88/07/15 16:07:50 mui
* add flag DOWARNING to do AES startup alert box
*
* Revision 1.1 88/06/02 12:35:52 lozben
* Initial revision
*
*************************************************************************
*/
/* MACHINE.H 09/29/84 - 10/09/84 Lee Lorenzen
* for 68k 10/10/84 - 04/22/85 Lowell Webster
* Update 05/07/85 Derek Mui
* Add more define 07/12/85 Derek Mui
* add MULRES 3/25/86 Derek Mui
* add SWISSGER & SWISSFRA defines 8/3/87 Slavik Lozben
* add MEXICO defines 9/28/87 Slavik Lozben
* Clean up 11/23/87 Derek Mui
* Added 132 column switch 12/18/87 D.Mui
* add FINLAND 1/8/88 D.Mui

To me this does not look like EmuTOS. It's a good (?) mixture of all.

[BlankVector]

To me this does not look like EmuTOS.

This stuff is completely unrelated to EmuTOS.
So please, let's top speaking about EmuTOS here.

BTW: Indeed someone mixed EmuTOS sources and other stuff in that archive. Not a problem for me, as long as the EmuTOS license is not violated.

[troed]

So please, let's top speaking about EmuTOS here.

While you are absolutely correct, of course, with regards to GPL and distribution of any binaries - I'm sorry to say that you cannot tell the rest of us to stop talking about something

I think this is a hacked together distribution of genuine TOS source code, decompiled TOS code merged with more recent developments from, amongst others, EmuTOS. It fits with something that has been mentioned having had happened a bit over half a year ago.

The true authors are of course free to stand up.

/Troed

[crashman]

So please, let's top speaking about EmuTOS here.

While you are absolutely correct, of course, with regards to GPL and distribution of any binaries - I'm sorry to say that you cannot tell the rest of us to stop talking about something

The true authors are of course free to stand up.

/Troed

I've just wrote and email to Thorsten Otto , the man from the *forbidden word here* mailing list...

Wish me luck!

[ijor]

I didn't look at that archive, I don't care about Atari Corp stuff.
...
This stuff is completely unrelated to EmuTOS.
So please, let's top speaking about EmuTOS here.

Why you react like that??? Nobody is attacking EmuTOS, claiming anything wrong about EmuTOS, or saying anything bad at all regarding EmuTOS.

All we are saying is that some EmuTOS sources seems to have found on what is supposed to be an original Atari TOS source archive. You might not care about original Atari stuff, but many of us do.

[mikro]

ijor, if it's any consolation, I'm with you from the beginning; I don't know why other people have totally misinterpreted your words. :-)

crashman, I really wouldn't do that. As you can see, it's a mixture of all sorts of codes so most likely you not only don't get a valid translation of given TOS version but most likely you risk losing data or experiencing crashes.

[AtariZoll]

Well, another case of making confusion by incorrect naming of some SW. Indeed it is not original TOS source, but some mixture of fragments of original, EmuTOS and who knows what else. Serious people would add some notes, guides to how compile. I don't see anything of it.
What see is: if someone manage to compile it, will get something what is certainly not TOS 2.06-3.06. Additionally, lot of messages will be in German, because only AES has diverse language versions. GemDOS is only German.

@Crashman: if you really want Spanich TOS 2.06 (and 3.06), you can go my way - I did translation of TOS 2.06 to Serbian somewhere in 1993. As base is best to get German TOS, simply because txt. messages are usually longest in German. With some good Hex editor you need only to replace original txt to translated, taking care to not exceed original length, and proper termination (with 0). may add some extra spaces in middle to keep formatting better.
Of course, some German knowledge, or someone to help is necessary too. All it can be done in one day . At the end, you need to run SW for checksum correction, for instance this: ROMSPLIT.ZIP on this page: http://atari.8bitchip.info/astopensw.php
Will get real TOS 2.06. And reliable one.
This mixture is very questionable how will work. No word about some testings ... Personally, I would not waste time. Use original TOS or EmuTOS, but not something what even does not try to look serious.
P.S. for proper keyboard input in Spanish, you need to replace keyboard tables too - that can be taken from some older TOS Spanish version.

[joska]

@Crashman: if you really want Spanich TOS 2.06 (and 3.06), you can go my way - I did translation of TOS 2.06 to Serbian somewhere in 1993. As base is best to get German TOS, simply because txt. messages are usually longest in German. With some good Hex editor you need only to replace original txt to translated, taking care to not exceed original length, and proper termination (with 0). may add some extra spaces in middle to keep formatting better.

It's also possible to do this with TOSPatch. I have not tested it myself, but it looks like TOSpatch can replace the entire TOS RSC. So you can edit the RSC in an RSC editor, which gives you proper control over such things as string length.

[AtariZoll]

Yes, translating RSC is possible with RSC editor, and in TOS there is regular RSC structure, so can extract it and edit. I did it myself too in past. But that will not help in translating GemDOS and other messages. String length is not so big problem when base is German TOS .

[crashman]

Thanks for all your advices.
Well, though not rule out trying to compile these files, I'll try to translate TOS by myself.

[BlankVector]

Why you react like that???

We are speaking about Atari sources here. I was just surprised to see EmuTOS copyright in some files, as shown by the above grep.
As AtariZoll mentioned, this is misleading. Someone has obviously mixed Atari and EmuTOS sources in the same archive. Nothing wrong with that, regarding to the EmuTOS license.
My only concern is to avoid confusion. "The EmuTOS development team" is not involved in the work discussed here (even if someone reused EmuTOS sources, and it looks like an interesting hack).

FYI: Atari TOS and EmuTOS are both based on (now freed) Digital Research sources. So Atari TOS and EmuTOS can be considered as brothers, forked from Digital Research original work.

[ggn]

FWIW TOS 4 has been compiled successfully using gcc 4.6.4.

[ThorstenOtto]

Hi,

I want to clarify some things. First off, the archive found on atariforge.org was not uploaded or sent there by me. The availability of the sources was only anounced on above mentioned mailing list.

Is it really the original Atari source tree? I see some files say copyright EmuTOS team ???

That source tree was used as a basis. However the different versions found on the net are not related to any specific TOS version, most of them do not even compile. My goal was to have a complete source of something that produces the real rom versions of TOS 3.06 (and now also 2.06, since they are mostly identical).

Indeed. I think we need someone to explain what this archive really contains rather than guessing.

As mentioned above, the basis was one of the archives available since years on the net. While working on it, i had to create some new files, some of them are based on files from EmuTOS (thats why you might find their message in them).

I think this is a hacked together distribution of genuine TOS source code, decompiled TOS code merged with more recent developments from, amongst others, EmuTOS

That more or less puts it together

This mixture is very questionable how will work

This mixture has been verified to produce a binary exact copy of all tos 3.06 versions i could find.

Serious people would add some notes, guides to how compile. I don't see anything of it.

Then you didn't even bother to read the docs.

Yes, translating RSC is possible with RSC editor, and in TOS there is regular RSC structure, so can extract it and edit

But there is no easy way to get that changed RSC file back in the ROM. Besides that, the ROM also contains a header that describes where to find it and how long it is (as well as the size of the default desktop.inf), which is not part of the RSC file itself.

GemDOS is only German.

The only message from gemdos is "SYSTEM HALTED" when it runs out of folder slots, and that one is in english, for all language versions.

only AES has diverse language versions.

The desktop also has diverse language versions. And the default desktop.inf/newdesk.inf is also different. The keyboard tables are different, of course. Additionally, the BIOS does some hard-coded mapping of alt-keycode combinations.

most likely you not only don't get a valid translation of given TOS version but most likely you risk losing data or experiencing crashes.

You don't trust my work? I'm very disappointed

Greetings,
Thorsten

[mikro]

Excuse my scepticism but this: "This mixture has been verified to produce a binary exact copy of all tos 3.06 versions i could find. " is really hard to believe. How could you get a 1:1 copy of something which is compiled by different compiler, not even using all the original files but stuff from EmuTOS instead?