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Joysticks Mega STE

Postby rthorntn » Fri Jun 29, 2018 6:56 am

Hi,

Thanks everyone for all your help.

What's going to be my best joystick option for the Mega STE, I have Eiffel and Lightning VME.

Also I have one of the X-Arcade tanksticks, it has PS/2/USB and I believe it emulates a keyboard and sends a certain letter when you move left and a certain letter when you press button one, can I use this?

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Re: Joysticks Mega STE

Postby joska » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:01 am

The only joysticks you can use are the ones you connect to the keyboard/Eiffel. Forget about USB joysticks. Get a Zipstick or Competition Pro or any other real joystick with replacable microswitches and you have a joystick that can be serviced and used forever.
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Re: Joysticks Mega STE

Postby rthorntn » Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:29 am

Thanks, the x-arcade tankstick has microswitches and ps/2 (newbie alert: do ST games generally let you remap the control keys?), it also has a trackball, could I use the trackball as a mouse in games?
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Re: Joysticks Mega STE

Postby joska » Fri Jun 29, 2018 10:47 am

No and no. Anything that doesn't deliver the proper IKBD packets to the ST's keyboard ACIA will simply not work in 99% of all games. If you want to use your x-arcade then you have to create an interface for it that allows you to connect it either to the keyboard's mouse/joystick ports or the ST's keyboard connector directly. There is no existing solution for this available.
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Re: Joysticks Mega STE

Postby Orion_ » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:02 am

x-arcade tankstick is overkill for an Atari ST, the standard Joystick only have One button !
no games use more than one button ...
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Re: Joysticks Mega STE

Postby rthorntn » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:12 am

Thanks, I already own a tankstick though, surely it's only overkill if you buy it for the ST... Won't a keyboard emulating PS/2 joystick work through an eiffel?
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Re: Joysticks Mega STE

Postby joska » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:27 am

That will work if you can remap the emulated keys in the keyboard itself. Because there is no standard keyboard controls in ST games, and a lot (most?) of games doesn't even let you use the keyboard.
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Re: Joysticks Mega STE

Postby 1024MAK » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:29 am

The Atari STE does not understand PS/2 or USB. The STE is an evolution of the ST model which was released in 1985, long before PS/2 and USB became common. The PS/2 interface is named after the IBM computer that was released in 1987. USB was designed in 1996.

There are some modern adaptors that can translate standard modern mouse communications so that the Atari ST/STFM/STE (etc.) machines can be used with them. But these will not work with Joysticks.
Similarly, there are adaptors that let you use standard modern keyboards. But anything else is unlikely to work, as the adaptors are only programmed to translate normal keyboard communication data.

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Re: Joysticks Mega STE

Postby joska » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:36 am

The joystick in question is intended for emulators like MAME I believe, and seems to behave like a keybard. So in that sense it will work with an Eiffel on an STE. However, you need to be able to remap the joystick/button -> key mapping without involvind the Atari, as there is no standard keyboard control in ST games. And many games only works with a real joystick.
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Re: Joysticks Mega STE

Postby mikro » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:01 pm

Perhaps stating the obvious: you can use "any" USB joystick with the CosmosEx. And even better (my preferable option), remap keyboard arrows as joystick IKBD commands (that applies also for the original Atari keyboard, no need for any USB devices at all).

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Re: Joysticks Mega STE

Postby joska » Fri Jun 29, 2018 12:11 pm

Is CosmosEx in production again? If so that's good news, and it can indeed be a possible solution here.

But I must say this - it must be a lot easier and cheaper to buy a normal joystick on eBay instead of buying a CosmosEx and Raspberry Pi in order to get a $150 X-Arcade to emulate a single button normal joystick ;)
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Re: Joysticks Mega STE

Postby simonsunnyboy » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:15 pm

The existing stick just needs some additional wires from the switches to a DB9 connector. Just disconnect the Pi or whatever device handles its switches and put the switches directly on the port.
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Re: Joysticks Mega STE

Postby rthorntn » Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:04 pm

Thanks everyone.

Are there really games that are joystick only, so you can't control with keyboard or mouse?

You can quite easily reprogram the tankstick to use any key:

https://support.xgaming.com/support/sol ... ming-guide
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Re: Joysticks Mega STE

Postby 1024MAK » Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:56 pm

Atari Computers came with joystick connectors as standard. So it was logical that a lot of games would assume that the user would be using a joystick.

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Re: Joysticks Mega STE

Postby leech » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:23 pm

1024MAK wrote:The Atari STE does not understand PS/2 or USB. The STE is an evolution of the ST model which was released in 1985, long before PS/2 and USB became common. The PS/2 interface is named after the IBM computer that was released in 1987. USB was designed in 1996.

There are some modern adaptors that can translate standard modern mouse communications so that the Atari ST/STFM/STE (etc.) machines can be used with them. But these will not work with Joysticks.
Similarly, there are adaptors that let you use standard modern keyboards. But anything else is unlikely to work, as the adaptors are only programmed to translate normal keyboard communication data.

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That isn't quite correct. Some of the various TOM and JERRY adapters you can find on ebay should be able to support USB game pads, as long as theyy are HID compliant. Cheaper than a CosmosEx, though not quite as awesome.
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Re: Joysticks Mega STE

Postby rthorntn » Sun Jul 01, 2018 12:20 am

Thanks everyone
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