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Re: WIFI for all ataris over serial!

Postby czietz » Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:29 pm

sashapont wrote:Is it possible to use it on FireBee?


Maybe? I don't know. I don't have a Firebee. Does the Firebee have a serial port? Does STiNG run on the Firebee?

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Re: WIFI for all ataris over serial!

Postby simonsunnyboy » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:40 pm

I took the shortcut and ordered this one: https://www.simulant.uk/shop/retro-vint ... compatible

I will report when the device arrives.
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Re: WIFI for all ataris over serial!

Postby czietz » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:27 pm

simonsunnyboy wrote:I took the shortcut and ordered this one: https://www.simulant.uk/shop/retro-vint ... compatible


From the description, this is something entirely different, though! It allows you to connect to a (single) server, such as a Telnet BBS, by using AT commands (ATDT "bbs.example.com:23"). It does not allow you to run STinG on the Atari and use FTP clients, mail clients, web browsers, etc.

I guess you could change the firmware.

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Re: WIFI for all ataris over serial!

Postby Greenious » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:18 pm

czietz wrote:
simonsunnyboy wrote:I took the shortcut and ordered this one: https://www.simulant.uk/shop/retro-vint ... compatible


From the description, this is something entirely different, though! It allows you to connect to a (single) server, such as a Telnet BBS, by using AT commands (ATDT "bbs.example.com:23"). It does not allow you to run STinG on the Atari and use FTP clients, mail clients, web browsers, etc.

I guess you could change the firmware.


It's the same hardware, just a telnet firmware instead.

At the bottom of the product description you can read:
Standing on the Shoulders of Giants

So here we are once more, with civilization (and older computer users especially in this instance) standing on the shoulders of giants! The Retro Wifi SI is basically just a pre-built kit by Simulant which uses an ESP8266 board, a serial MAX3232 interface, our own custom 3D printed casing and Allen Huffman's firmware fork of Bo Zimmerman's Zimodem (other firmwares can be flashed, but the great thing about Allen Huffman's fork is that it makes the firmware fully compatible with the majority of old computers and less solely Commodore 64 orientated).


This firmware can be found here: http://subethasoftware.com/2019/05/02/c ... o-current/
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Re: WIFI for all ataris over serial!

Postby simonsunnyboy » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:50 am

czietz wrote:
simonsunnyboy wrote:I took the shortcut and ordered this one: https://www.simulant.uk/shop/retro-vint ... compatible


From the description, this is something entirely different, though! It allows you to connect to a (single) server, such as a Telnet BBS, by using AT commands (ATDT "bbs.example.com:23"). It does not allow you to run STinG on the Atari and use FTP clients, mail clients, web browsers, etc.

I guess you could change the firmware.


No harm done, for Sting and co I have a Netusbee. I only want to telnet out. No need to change anything if it works.

A software mapper to replace TOS serial functions with a telnet gateway to the Netusbee in software would be great though.
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Re: WIFI for all ataris over serial!

Postby olivierg » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:46 pm

Hi,

Project very fun, it reminds me of my first connection with a MODEM 300 baud (the size of the shoe box) with the ATARI on BBS. It does not rejuvenate us.

A small question, it can work with ESP8266 NodeMCU V3 module, I have a stock that hangs and it's more convenient, the USB-TTL adapter is included, as well as the 3V3 and the micro-USB connector allows the 5V power supply, remains as the level converter?

As for the speed, there are no solutions on cartridge port? I had found a diagram of DC PORT (2 ports max 115K) but I do not have drivers / software and there is no implementation in STING.

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Re: WIFI for all ataris over serial!

Postby Greenious » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:26 pm

olivierg wrote: As for the speed, there are no solutions on cartridge port? I had found a diagram of DC PORT (2 ports max 115K) but I do not have drivers / software and there is no implementation in STING.


Well, there are serial port mods allowing higher speeds with HSMODEM. One feeds a faster serial clock to the MFP, allowing 115k, one adds an ESCC (same used in MSTE/TT) serial circuit.

That cartridge solution you refer to, the only software I know that can use it is Michtron BBS.
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Re: WIFI for all ataris over serial!

Postby Bikerbob » Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:25 am

Would this pairing be pretty much complete? Just need to connect the four lines and done?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ESP8266-NodeMC ... 2602851995

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Re: WIFI for all ataris over serial!

Postby czietz » Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:46 am

A user of my firmware has successfully used a similar looking RS232 level converter board, albeit with a ESP-01. Depending on the type of Atari you also need an adapter 25-pin RS232 to 9-pin RS232.

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Re: WIFI for all ataris over serial!

Postby Bikerbob » Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:36 am

czietz wrote:A user of my firmware has successfully used a similar looking RS232 level converter board, albeit with a ESP-01. Depending on the type of Atari you also need an adapter 25-pin RS232 to 9-pin RS232.


Mega STE.. so I am good. Cool. I think I will pick that up. I guess I could use the usb port and then update the firmware that way.

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Re: WIFI for all ataris over serial!

Postby Karlson » Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:52 am

Hi, I´ve tried Zimodem firmware to connect my Atari STe to a BBS with success. (https://github.com/bozimmerman/Zimodem)
But i can´t use STING for conecting to other services, like browsing internet or IRC...i´ve tried a lot of configurations without conecting...
Is this firmware capable of this? is compatible with SLIP or PPP?

thanks

I´ve post my conclusions on this post (sorry, it´s in spanish due to a lack of information in this language)
http://www.retrowiki.es/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=200035191

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Re: WIFI for all ataris over serial!

Postby czietz » Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:53 pm

Zimodem cannot be used with STinG.

Use the firmware on my website which supports SLIP: https://www.chzsoft.de/site/hardware/co ... -internet/
Note that you can only have either Zimodem (=telnet modem) functionality or SLIP & STinG functionality, depending on the firmware.

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Re: WIFI for all ataris over serial!

Postby Karlson » Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:05 pm

ok, i will try your fimware....
i have a nodemcu v1, then, i´ve need to change some parameters to flash, this are my settings for windows (previusly, download and install python, download esptool https://github.com/espressif/esptool and add paths to the system):

esptool.py --port com6 flash_id (to check model)

esptool.py --port com6 erase_flash
esptool.py --port com6 write_flash -fm dio 0x3fc000 esp_init_data_default.bin
esptool.py --port com6 write_flash -ff 40m -fm dio -fs 4MB 0x00000 0x00000.bin 0x10000 0x10000.bin

(my nodemcu have 4MB and the correct address is 0x3fc000)

note that your files 0x00000.bin and 0x10000.bin are different to the files in https://github.com/martin-ger/esp_slip_router
when i tried the files in https://github.com/martin-ger/esp_slip_router, the led in the nodemcu flicks continuosly...

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Re: WIFI for all ataris over serial!

Postby Karlson » Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:49 am

yesterday I managed to connect with STING and czietz modified firmware.
my first impresion: conecting to a BBS vía TELNET+ esp_slip_router firmware is slower than conecting with zimodem firmware+taz... very slow... it is normal??
the baud speed settings are the same: 19.200bps

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Re: WIFI for all ataris over serial!

Postby czietz » Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:47 pm

It's of course expected to be slower since more data has to go over the slow serial interface. Not just payload but also TCP/IP headers etc. Also, even just processing the TCP/IP packets on the ST with its 8 MHz CPU takes time. The big benefit however outweighs the drawback: Using STING, you're not restricted to telnet BBSes. You can use FTP, IRC, e-mail, ...

BTW: The telnet program for STING included in my download is quite slow in itself. Since it's just meant to be used once during setup, I didn't care.

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Re: WIFI for all ataris over serial!

Postby Bikerbob » Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:50 pm

Bikerbob wrote:Would this pairing be pretty much complete? Just need to connect the four lines and done?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ESP8266-NodeMC ... 2602851995

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OK so I am back at looking at this.. with these im looking at.. I could use some wire connections .. power it with usb.. and it would run.

Looking at programming the firmware, Im a little confused with the NodeMCU.. many now talk about Lau.. the firmware that czietz has done is not in Lau.. this one does not say its Lau, how do I know I can program this one?

Karlson, what you did there.. would that also work for the board I am looking at here?? doing it your way through windows ?

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