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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby frank.lukas » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:56 am

I have seven PCBs left.

I can also offer a completely built up and testet card, ask for the Price ...
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby IRIOS » Tue Jul 19, 2016 6:26 pm

The package has arrived. Thank you !!
I would change for 32MHz operation and synchronized with the STE. To be continued ... :coffe:

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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby frank.lukas » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:45 pm

Please make your Mods public ...
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby IRIOS » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:38 pm

Yes of course ! :thumbs:

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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby exxos » Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:57 pm

Can someone benchmark the pak020 at 16mhz and 32mhz with GB6 ? http://www.exxoshost.co.uk/atari/last/GB6/index.htm
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby frank.lukas » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:35 pm

PAK68/2 with VOFA ET4000 Graphiccard Adapter and the NOVA Driver (NVDI only as GDOS) ...
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GEMBENCH 6
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TOS 2.06  AES 3.20
BLiTTER NP
LineF FPU inst.
PLANES 8
COLOURS 0
RES 1024*768*256
NVDI 5.03 present
ST 68020
GEMDOS v0.20
CACHE D=OFF  I=ON
Ran from ST-RAM


PAK68/2 on a SM124 with nothing ...
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GEMBENCH 6
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TOS 2.06  AES 3.20
BLiTTER NP
LineF FPU inst.
PLANES 1
COLOURS 1
RES 640*400*2
NVDI not present
ST 68020
GEMDOS v0.20
CACHE D=OFF  I=ON
Ran from ST-RAM


... what about the FPU Test in GemBench 6 ?
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby exxos » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:42 pm

frank.lukas wrote:
... what about the FPU Test in GemBench 6 ?



Theres no reference files with FPU programmed yet. It will be fixed next release.

Might be better to use a reference file with isn't using the blitter, like one of the STFM files STFM1048.GB6 and run in medium res. Then we can see the 16mhz benchmark vs a stock machine.

The Falcon benchmark IIRC has a FPU benchmark in it, so you could try that also.. FALCON30.GB6
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby frank.lukas » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:23 pm

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TOS 2.06  AES 3.20
BLiTTER NP
LineF FPU inst.
PLANES 2
COLOURS 512
RES 640*200*4
NVDI not present
ST 68020
GEMDOS v0.20
CACHE D=OFF  I=ON
Ran from ST-RAM


I have no Blitter in my Atari Mega ST ...

There was no STFM1048.GB6 File !?!
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby exxos » Thu Jul 21, 2016 1:39 pm

frank.lukas wrote:PAKCOLOR.gif


I have no Blitter in my Atari Mega ST ...

There was no STFM1048.GB6 File !?!



OK my bad, Looks like some files due for next release.. I've uploaded updated files..

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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby frank.lukas » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:56 pm

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GEMBENCH 6
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TOS 2.06  AES 3.20
BLiTTER NP
LineF FPU inst.
PLANES 2
COLOURS 512
RES 640*200*4
NVDI not present
ST 68020
GEMDOS v0.20
CACHE D=OFF  I=ON
Ran from ST-RAM


GemBench 4.03 ...
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby exxos » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:14 pm

Thanks. Interesting results. It only just beats the STE booster at 32MHz, though integer division is a lot faster on the 020. Of course that 020 must access ROM at 32bit to beat 32MHz speeds at 16bit. Also the cache gives a small speed boost.

Will include that benchmark in the next GB6 release :cheers:
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby frank.lukas » Thu Jul 21, 2016 3:47 pm

The PAK68/2 need a TOS 1.0x on the Mainboard for startup and uses a 32bit TOS 2.06 in four 27C512 on the PAK Board ...
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby joska » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:14 pm

frank.lukas wrote:It works ...


Mine doesn't. Atleast I can't get it to boot. I have the same jumper settings as in your picture, and have also tried removing the FPU (and setting JP4). I have verified the ROMs and the GALs, and have confirmed that I have clocks (both 16 and 8MHz) at the 74F86 and the GALs.

I have no ROMs on the motherboard (and no MonSTer installed), just plain 2.06 on the PAK. I see that you also use 2.06 - how did you create the ROM images? Did you use the GFA ROMSPLIT program?

I use the following GAL files: U4_13, U5_14, U6_22 and U12_24. Any tips on what else to check before I dig out the logic analyser?

frank.lukas wrote:.. but it needs some patches.


Your picture is missing one patch that's present on mine (between the FPU and 68000 socket). Should it work without this patch too?
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby frank.lukas » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:23 pm

You must have a TOS 1.0x on the Mainboard so the PAK68/2 with TOS 2.06 on the PAK can boot up ...

At my Mega ST I have the MonSTer with TOS 1.04 or KAOS TOS running to boot up TOS 2.06 on the PAK68/2.


I use from the Pinatubo package the rommix tool without any problems.

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# Kommandodatei fr ROMMIX:
# erstellen von 4 Eprom-Files fr 27C512
# 1 TOS206-IMG wird auf 4 Eproms aufgeteilt
# von Udo Overath @ KR
# (das geht auch direkt mit Pinatubo --- ms)

# Puffergr”že setzen
bufsize 256k
# Directory setzen
chdir e:\pinatu24\rommix\

load tos206.img 0 256k all -> 0 all
save ee.u11 64k <- 0 ee
save oe.u10 64k <- 0 oe
save eo.u9 64k <- 0 eo
save oo.u8 64k <- 0 oo



Edit the ROMMIX config File for your TOS Version.

I send all PCBs with the patches already done.

Hardware Patches ...

- IC4 /ROMSEL Pin_10 -> IC6 Pin_20
- IC4 A1 Pin_23 -> A1 68000 Pin_29
- IC6 /BERR00 Pin_22 -> 68000 Pin_22
- FPU D23 Pin_44 -> 020 Pin_L5 or 68000 CPU Pin 62
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby joska » Mon Jul 25, 2016 7:57 pm

frank.lukas wrote:You must have a TOS 1.0x on the Mainboard so the PAK68/2 with TOS 2.06 on the PAK can boot up ...


That really does not make sense, but I have tried that too without any success. I have also tried to disable PAK ROM and boot from 2.06 on the MonSTer.

frank.lukas wrote:At my Mega ST I have the MonSTer with TOS 1.04 or KAOS TOS running to boot up TOS 2.06 on the PAK68/2.


I really don't understand this. How does the motherboard TOS boot/start TOS 2.06? AFAICS an unpatched TOS 1.04/1.02/1.00 won't even start on the 020 since it's not aware of the 020 stackframe size. Also, it would need to run some program to execute the PAK TOS.

frank.lukas wrote:I use from the Pinatubo package the rommix tool without any problems.


Thanks, I will try this and see if the resulting files are different from mine.

frank.lukas wrote:'Hardware Patches ...

- IC4 /ROMSEL Pin_10 -> IC6 Pin_20
- IC4 A1 Pin_23 -> A1 68000 Pin_29
- IC6 /BERR00 Pin_22 -> 68000 Pin_22
- FPU D23 Pin_44 -> 020 Pin_L5 or 68000 CPU Pin 62


I will verify these, and also the rest of the components.
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby frank.lukas » Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:39 pm

Fact is that the PAK68/2 or the PAK68/3 need on the Mainboard a TOS 1.0x to switch to the 32bit TOS 2.06 (TOS 3.06 on the PAK68/3) on the PAK68/2 ...

In my Setup the PAK68/2 do not work with TOS 2.06 on the Mainboard.

With TOS 1.0x or KAOS or TOS 1.0x or KAOS selected on the MonSTer and a 32bit TOS 2.06 on the PAK68/2 all is fine ...


For TOS 2.06 on the PAK you need U12_21

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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby joska » Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:00 pm

frank.lukas wrote:Fact is that the PAK68/2 or the PAK68/3 need on the Mainboard a TOS 1.0x to switch to the 32bit TOS 2.06 (TOS 3.06 on the PAK68/3) on the PAK68/2 ...

In my Setup the PAK68/2 do not work with TOS 2.06 on the Mainboard.


That is most likely because both the MonSTer and the PAK decodes the TOS 2 addresses. Does the PAK boot with no TOS installed on the motherboard? I.e. with flash disabled on the MonSTer and no ROMs in the Mega ROM sockets?

frank.lukas wrote:For TOS 2.06 on the PAK you need U12_21


Ok, I will try that. The docs say that this is for TOS at FC0000, but 2.06 (and 3 and 4) is at E00000 which the docs say that U12_24 is for.
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby frank.lukas » Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:38 pm

joska wrote:Ok, I will try that. The docs say that this is for TOS at FC0000, but 2.06 (and 3 and 4) is at E00000 which the docs say that U12_24 is for.


I know that, but U12_24 do not work ...
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby frank.lukas » Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:41 pm

joska wrote:Does the PAK boot with no TOS installed on the motherboard? I.e. with flash disabled on the MonSTer and no ROMs in the Mega ROM sockets?


No

... 6 or 2 TOS 1.0x Eproms must sit on the Mainboard or a TOS 1.0x must be selected on the MonSTer.
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby joska » Mon Jul 25, 2016 9:51 pm

Ok, tested so far...

- Generated new TOS split files with ROMMIX, they are identical to the ones I already created (with a simple STOS program). Popped the ROMs out again and verified them. All OK.
- Popped out the GALs again and verified them. OK.
- Tried U12_21 with 1.02 on the motherboard, no success.
- Verified the motherboard patches. OK.

I guess the next step is to dig out the logic analyser. That would probably have to wait a few days.
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby frank.lukas » Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:09 pm

I have build up three or four cards so far and all boards works very well. I do not know what can be wrong with your Board ?

... if nothing else goes, simple send me the Board !


Are the GALs OK ?

My China Programmer can not handle Header comments in the JED File.

For example I program this for U4 with all unused bytes set to "00" ...

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L0000 1111110111011101111111101111111111111111*
L0040 1111111011111110111111101111111111111111*
L0080 1011110101011011101001101111111111111111*
L0120 1111100101011111101111101111111110111111*
L0160 1011100101011111101111101111111111111111*
L0200 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L0240 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L0280 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L0320 1111110111101111111111011111111111111111*
L0360 1111110111111110101111101111111111111111*
L0400 1111110111111110011111011111111111111111*
L0440 1111111111101110111111011111111111111111*
L0480 1111110111101110111111111111111111111111*
L0520 1111110101111110111111011111111110111111*
L0560 1011110111111110111111011111111111111111*
L0600 1111110111111110111111011111111111111101*
L0640 1111111011101101111111101111111111111111*
L0680 1011101110011110101111101111111111111111*
L0720 1011111110011010101001101111111111111111*
L0760 1111111011011110111111101111111111111111*
L0800 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L0840 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L0880 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L0920 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L0960 1011111111111011111110111111111111111111*
L1000 1111111111111111111010111111111111111111*
L1040 1111111111111011111011111111111111111111*
L1080 0111111111111111111011111111111111111111*
L1120 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L1160 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L1200 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L1240 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L1280 1111110111011101111111101111111111111111*
L1320 1111111011011110111111101111111111111111*
L1360 0111110111011110101111111111111111111110*
L1400 1111110101011110101111111111111110111111*
L1440 1111110111101110111111101111111111111111*
L1480 1111110111111110101111101111111111111111*
L1520 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L1560 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L1600 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111*
L1640 1111110110011111111111101111111111111111*
L1680 1111111101011110111111101111111111111111*
L1720 1111110101111110111111101111111111111111*
L1760 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L1800 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L1840 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L1880 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L1920 1111110101111110111111101111111111111011*
L1960 1111111101011110111111101111111111111011*
L2000 1111110101011110101111111111111110111010*
L2040 0111110101011110101111111111111111111010*
L2080 1111110110011111111111101111111111111011*
L2120 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L2160 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L2200 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000*
L2240 1111111011111111111111111110111111111111*
L2280 1111111111111111111111101110111111111111*
L2320 1111111111111111111111111011011111111011*
L2360 1111111111111111011111111110111111111111*
L2400 1111111111101111111111111110111111111111*
L2440 1111111110111111111111111110111111111111*
L2480 1011111111111111111111111110111101111111*
L2520 1111111111111111111111111111111111111101*
L2560 0110010100000000000000000000000000000000*
L2600 0000000000000000000000000000000000000100*
L2640 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111*
L2680 11111111111111111111111101*
CBEFF*
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby joska » Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:14 pm

GALs are OK. I have programmed the same GALs for other projects and they work correctly. I will try again with the files you attached.

The only things I haven't checked so far is the CPU (I only have one) and the board itself.
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby joska » Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:27 pm

joska wrote:I will try again with the files you attached.


They made no difference.
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby joska » Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:28 pm

frank.lukas wrote:
joska wrote:Does the PAK boot with no TOS installed on the motherboard? I.e. with flash disabled on the MonSTer and no ROMs in the Mega ROM sockets?


No

... 6 or 2 TOS 1.0x Eproms must sit on the Mainboard or a TOS 1.0x must be selected on the MonSTer.


But does it boot with ROMs on the PAK, no ROMs (or MonSTer) on the motherboard and U12_24?
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Re: PAK68/2 PCB Project ...

Postby frank.lukas » Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:11 am

joska wrote:But does it boot with ROMs on the PAK, no ROMs (or MonSTer) on the motherboard and U12_24?

No

Maybe U12_24 is for KAOS TOS (TOS1.04) in four Eproms on the PAK68/2. I don´t know ...
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