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2012 Atari monitor suggestions

Postby rebb » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:59 am

As most of the TV sets and monitors in older thread are impossible to find, what would be suggestions for monitor today?
Samsung is still safest bet without trying?
For myself, i would need to connect Atari thru RGB scart and Mac via VGA.

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Re: 2012 Atari monitor suggestions

Postby Dark Willow » Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:57 pm

This is an interesting issue, as I've been thinking of what monitor to use with the TT. I'm looking at the Nec Multisync Lcd 1550V LCD. They seem to be widely available, and are not 16:9 format, which is a bonus, and it's reasonably compact and is pretty flexible for different resolutions. Alas it won't support TT-High, which is a shame, and there will still be some distortion since they are native 1024x768, which doesn't multiply very nicely from 640x480.

The ideal would be an LCD proving SXGA- (1280x960) true 4:3 native resolution, as that gives a direct doubling of 640x480 VGA (direct double of TT-Medium and Falcon modes) so you should get image quality and minimal distortion, but they are like hens teeth, as most 17" LCDs now are 1280x1024 ("standard" SXGA).

For the ST there are no "clean" LCD resolutions, and I've not come accross any VGA CRTs that really match the SM125 for clarity, as you just don't get many mono CRTs. The best bet for Atarians in the USA, however, might be Miracle monochrome CRTs. They still make standard models in 9" and 14" SVGA. (http://www.miraclebusiness.com/mono.htm) Alas, they don't have suppliers in Europe.
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Re: 2012 Atari monitor suggestions

Postby redhawk668 » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:03 pm

I think any TFT/LCD TV with RGB scart / or YUV component inputs will do.... I've tried my Atari 1040 STfm on a standard LCD TV with a RGB to scart cable and had good results :) Good usable on both low and medium resolution. Some of these TFT screens also support the high resolution, only then you need a monitor switchbox and a 13 pin din to VGA cable. In a few days I am going to buy a 19" LCD TV/Monitor and will post results of this.
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Re: 2012 Atari monitor suggestions

Postby spiny » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:46 pm

I use one of these :

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/External-VGA- ... 2a10309b0b

I use composite out from my ST, and a generic flatscreen monitor :)

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Re: 2012 Atari monitor suggestions

Postby christos » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:15 am

spiny wrote:I use one of these :

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/External-VGA- ... 2a10309b0b

I use composite out from my ST, and a generic flatscreen monitor :)


What is the quality in ST medium etc?

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Re: 2012 Atari monitor suggestions

Postby Shredder11 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:23 am

Damn I meant to get back with my findings of that device, although mine came from Deal Extreme.com. I found that although it worked with as good a picture as my other more Supera Color HD, the screen displayed a tear effect dragging itself across to one side. So far I have only used it with a CRT monitor and not sure if it would do the same on my LCD TFT monitor. It might just require a little adjustment internally but I do not know how, but then again maybe my unit is a duff one.

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Re: 2012 Atari monitor suggestions

Postby FedePede04 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:24 am

rebb wrote:As most of the TV sets and monitors in older thread are impossible to find, what would be suggestions for monitor today?
Samsung is still safest bet without trying?
For myself, i would need to connect Atari thru RGB scart and Mac via VGA.


for about a Half year ago, i try 3 diffident LCD tv before i got one that works.
I don't recall the models NO, but one of them was a Samsung 24, and i did not work properly,
the other one was a Philips 22" and it didn't work either.
The one i settle for was a Packard bell 22 LED/LCD tv, not the best picture but i think it is acceptable
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Re: 2012 Atari monitor suggestions

Postby spiny » Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:49 am

christos wrote:
spiny wrote:I use one of these :

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/External-VGA- ... 2a10309b0b

I use composite out from my ST, and a generic flatscreen monitor :)


What is the quality in ST medium etc?



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Re: 2012 Atari monitor suggestions

Postby Zogging Hell » Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:54 pm

Dark Willow wrote:This is an interesting issue, as I've been thinking of what monitor to use with the TT. I'm looking at the Nec Multisync Lcd 1550V LCD. They seem to be widely available, and are not 16:9 format, which is a bonus, and it's reasonably compact and is pretty flexible for different resolutions. Alas it won't support TT-High, which is a shame, and there will still be some distortion since they are native 1024x768, which doesn't multiply very nicely from 640x480.


Also beware that a TT without a graphics card produces terrible output on an LCD monitor. Something to do with a non-standard signal I guess. I've tried my TT with two LCDs and both times I get good results in low resolutions and terrible results in high res (blurry picture, even after fine tuning, and it's not anything to do with upscaling as both monitors supported 640 x 480). I would seriously recommend a graphics card if you want to use one, then there should be no problems.
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Re: 2012 Atari monitor suggestions

Postby Dark Willow » Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:27 pm

Zogging Hell wrote:
Dark Willow wrote:This is an interesting issue, as I've been thinking of what monitor to use with the TT. I'm looking at the Nec Multisync Lcd 1550V LCD. They seem to be widely available, and are not 16:9 format, which is a bonus, and it's reasonably compact and is pretty flexible for different resolutions. Alas it won't support TT-High, which is a shame, and there will still be some distortion since they are native 1024x768, which doesn't multiply very nicely from 640x480.


Also beware that a TT without a graphics card produces terrible output on an LCD monitor. Something to do with a non-standard signal I guess. I've tried my TT with two LCDs and both times I get good results in low resolutions and terrible results in high res (blurry picture, even after fine tuning, and it's not anything to do with upscaling as both monitors supported 640 x 480). I would seriously recommend a graphics card if you want to use one, then there should be no problems.


Would love to get a gfx card if the prices weren't so insane. When you say hi-res do you mean TT-High (didn't think it'd work at all) or TT-Med (640x480)???

The NEC can sync from 31Khz to 60Khz (horizontal) and 56Khz to 75Hz (vertical) - Does anyone know if the TT's "weird" signal falls anywhere in the that range to produce a decent image in TT Medium and TT Low?

I'd prefer to use LCD to CRT simply because it means less bulk (and are very hard to get people willing to ship them), even though must admit I prefer CRTs technically since they seem much more flexible with older systems.
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Re: 2012 Atari monitor suggestions

Postby Zogging Hell » Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:09 pm

Sorry that's high-res for old STs not TT hi-res! :wink:

So yeah that would be 640 x 480 in 16 (I think also ST high iirc) are terribly disappointing. ST low and TT low look fine however for some reason, at least in my experience.
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Toshiba 22BV501B 22-inch Widescreen

Postby Shredder11 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:57 pm

Seeing as in the 2009 topics the Sharp TV recommended by the late Alison Challis worked so well with both the Atari ST and BBC Micro, I think this Toshiba will be worth a look. A BBC Micro user is using it with the RGB output of the micro into a SCART cable with added resistors, and then straight into the TV analog tuner (it has both digital and analog).

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http://www.richersounds.com/product/lcd-tv/toshiba/22bv501b/tosh-22bv501b

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Re: 2012 Atari monitor suggestions

Postby CiH » Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:41 pm

This is an interesting topic that has come to life again at exactly the right time.

I've just obtained a Curry's Essentials LCD TV. It is their smallest size, 15.9 inches, in order to use it as a party screen due to its small size and featherweight characteristics.

I've tried a new dual input cable, made up by Dal with partial success. The VGA/ST Mono mode was fine and the set took the signal, even managing to cope with interlacing with an ST vertical resolution doubler to display 640 x 800! - The Scart mode sort of picks up the signal there, but only for short spasms, so you get the screen blinking into view momentarily, then dark, then back again. At the liberty of quoting from a private message from when Dal made up the cable.

There are a couple of ways to wire the SCART. I've done it as per my original wiring diagram however if it doesn't work for you, then there is a slight alternative. I can either make the modification for you or I can send you the resistors and tell you what to do. The reason is (as you probably know) some TV's are less tolerant than others when it comes to the ST's video output.


Which may be at the heart of the problem there?

Incidentally, I've also run the set with my Falcon Centurbo 2 in Scart mode and it performs perfectly fine there, including running 50 Hz screen mode demos that my current ancient CRT can't. It looks good in 'low resolutions' but there is some loss of text quality when running that in an interlaced resolution.
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Re: 2012 Atari monitor suggestions

Postby Dal » Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:12 pm

That alternative wiring was discussed in this thread it's likely there is not 'quite' enough voltage going to the blanking pin (SCART pin 16). Read 1024MAK's post where he describes a possible solution.
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Postby Shredder11 » Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:23 am

The only thing I need to check with the Toshiba spec is if it can display a 4:3 ratio properly, by adding the black side borders.

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Postby Dal » Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:23 am

There are still 4:3 broadcasts (old re-runs). I would be very surprised if TV's were starting to be produced without 4:3 support.

For a start, pretty much everyone on TV Gold would have heads like Stewie from Family Guy...
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Postby wongck » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:24 pm

Dal wrote:There are still 4:3 broadcasts (old re-runs). I would be very surprised if TV's were starting to be produced without 4:3 support.

You mean almost all broadcast in UK are in HD format now?
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Re: 2012 Atari monitor suggestions

Postby Dal » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:48 pm

No not HD, but all new broadcasts are 16:9 (in fact probably anything recorded in the last 7 years or so). Let's not get resolution and aspect ratio confused!
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Re: 2012 Atari monitor suggestions

Postby wongck » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:29 am

Dal wrote:No not HD, but all new broadcasts are 16:9 (in fact probably anything recorded in the last 7 years or so). Let's not get resolution and aspect ratio confused!


Ah... resolution and aspect ratio.
In any case 16:9 should be the way to go.
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Re: 2012 Atari monitor suggestions

Postby redhawk668 » Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:34 pm

Samsung T200HD 20" display also gives good results :D
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Postby krupkaj » Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:16 pm

Just got Grundig Vision 2 19-2930 T. It has every input (composite, S-video, VGA, RGB, HDMI) and it is not bad:

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Re: 2012 Atari monitor suggestions

Postby Klapauzius » Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:43 am

Can someone recommend a specific model with excellent scaling quality (from ST low or 640x480 to the screen's native resolution)?
I've got a cheap Acer 17" LCD recently and the scaling on the Falcon and the TT is abysmal - as is the top/bottom viewing angle.

I have a nice 17" CRT for my F030 but I'm looking for a new LCD screen for my CT60. :)
Should be no larger than 19" and 4:3 ratio, if possible.
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Re: 2012 Atari monitor suggestions

Postby thorsten_guenther » Wed May 14, 2014 8:21 pm

Anyone tried a Grundig Vision 9 on the ST yet? I am considering purchasing a new TV set for my living room, and ST compatibility would be a definite plus.


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