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What is the latest Papyrus version?

Postby mikro » Sat May 06, 2017 1:52 am

Hi,

just out of curiosity, do anyone still remember what kind of evolution Papyrus went through? I can see at least four different "streams" (latest known version to me):

  • Papyrus (8)
  • Papyrus Gold (7.50a)
  • Papyrus Office (7.50a)
  • Papyrus Word (8.20a)
  • Papyrus X (10.20 with some FireBee beta build based on this?)

Apart from this we can see Papyrus Autor for Mac/Win currently in 8.50 version which is supposed to be based on Papyrus Office 17.10 from 2012.

To me this is greatly confusing. It seems Papyrus and Gold and Office used to be sold parallel to each other (with totally different versioning?), I have no clue about Word and what exactly "Papyrus X" is, it's just normal Papyrus 10.x with fancy name?

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Re: What is the latest Papyrus version?

Postby jfl » Sat May 06, 2017 6:23 am

mikro wrote:just out of curiosity, do anyone still remember what kind of evolution Papyrus went through? I can see at least four different "streams" (latest known version to me):

  • Papyrus X (10.20 with some FireBee beta build based on this?)

This is news to me. Where did you read that? And by the way, that would be 10.20A :D
mikro wrote:I have no clue about Word and what exactly "Papyrus X" is, it's just normal Papyrus 10.x with fancy name?

Looks like it. The About box of the English version says "Version X! 10.20A of 25.11.2003". Maybe the "Word" version do not come with the database component? X does and I suppose so does Office.
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Re: What is the latest Papyrus version?

Postby mikro » Sat May 06, 2017 10:14 am

The information about FireBee version is taken from http://www.atariuptodate.de/en/266/papyrus but now as I'm reading it again, perhaps the "beta" word refers to FireTOS version. ;)

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Re: What is the latest Papyrus version?

Postby Faucon2001 » Sat May 06, 2017 11:07 am

I have papyrus X and this version was published around 2002 (if my memory is good) so, far before Firebee production date.
So I guess it's a misreading.
For me Papyrus X is Papyrus 10.x . It was very fancy in 2002 to call the version 10 -> X : OS X for example ;-)
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Re: What is the latest Papyrus version?

Postby vido » Sat May 06, 2017 6:00 pm

Yes, Papyrus X is Papyrus 10.x which = Papyrus Office.
I think previous version was divided in Papyrus Word and Papyrus Office. I guess Papyrus Word was without database and Papyrus Office for the other plaform had network support for more users.

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Re: What is the latest Papyrus version?

Postby Bikerbob » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:13 pm

But what is the last version that will work on a 8+3 file system STE?
I have a Papyrus X and it is all long filename so I assume was ment for the Falcon (does TT do long file names?)

I need an english version that will run on my mega STE 4mb

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Re: What is the latest Papyrus version?

Postby mikro » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:31 pm

Bikerbob wrote:I assume was ment for the Falcon (does TT do long file names?)

Long filenames do not depend on the machine but on the OS. Both MagiC and FreeMiNT run on plain ST, too. :)

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Re: What is the latest Papyrus version?

Postby penguin » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:54 pm

mikro wrote:The information about FireBee version is taken from http://www.atariuptodate.de/en/266/papyrus but now as I'm reading it again, perhaps the "beta" word refers to FireTOS version. ;)


If you compare it to other FireBee tested/compatible apps, you will see the "beta" a lot. It refers to FireTOS obviously.
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Re: What is the latest Papyrus version?

Postby jfl » Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:23 am

Bikerbob wrote:But what is the last version that will work on a 8+3 file system STE?
I have a Papyrus X and it is all long filename so I assume was ment for the Falcon (does TT do long file names?)

I need an english version that will run on my mega STE 4mb

I don't think Papyrus X will be happy with 4MB anyway. I would look for versions 4.*/5.* if I were you. If I remember correctly there were decent English releases at that time.
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Re: What is the latest Papyrus version?

Postby Bikerbob » Fri Jan 26, 2018 8:02 pm

mikro wrote:
Bikerbob wrote:I assume was ment for the Falcon (does TT do long file names?)

Long filenames do not depend on the machine but on the OS. Both MagiC and FreeMiNT run on plain ST, too. :)


Sure mikro, but after running magiC or MiNT on a ST.. you have about 1mb of memory left.. that wont even start Papyrus.


As for Papyrus X I did get it copied over.. everything that was long file named was not needed to let the program run. I do have it running on the MEGA STE with 4mb @16mhz. Once loaded with NVDI5 I have about 1mb left. SO documents that I could load are also limited. as Papyrus has to keep all the images and fonts etc.. in ram.. and so there were examples of the documents that it would refuse to load.

I have not been able to find Papyrus Gold or (5) in english anywhere. I know it was out.. it was distributed in the UK.

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Re: What is the latest Papyrus version?

Postby calimero » Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:44 pm

I just observe something interesting about versions of Papyrus... bear with me:

Pivotal figure is Ivan Golubović https://www.linkedin.com/in/igolubovic/

He is apparently main developer (programer) of Papyrus today
He made some Amiga game for Titan computers: http://hol.abime.net/4338
He start to work at R.O.M. logicware in 2003. on Mac OS version of Papyrus
but soon after (~2004-2005) there was Amiga/MorphOS version of Papyrus published by Titan computers! https://web.archive.org/web/20050718081 ... apyrus.htm or
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=109 ... stcount=11

Interesting that last version of Atari Papyrus was in 2003.
It was also last version of Papyrus that used Atari code base (R.O.M. logicware ported Atari routines to Windows and Mac OS and share Atari code base with Windows and Mac OS versions)!

I believe that Ivan Golubovic pushed ROM logicware to pursue Amiga version and it process they move away from Atari version...
anyway, Papyrus today is even better then before! They do really great job with Papyrus.
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Re: What is the latest Papyrus version?

Postby jfl » Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:19 am

penguin wrote:If you compare it to other FireBee tested/compatible apps, you will see the "beta" a lot. It refers to FireTOS obviously.

Speaking about the FireBee, I see this on AtariUpToDate: Compatibility: No errors found.
Actually, creating a table in a text document crashes the program immediately.
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Re: What is the latest Papyrus version?

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Re: What is the latest Papyrus version?

Postby Faucon2001 » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:55 am

Papyrus X has a bunch of annoying bugs, on every platform. Try to change the page layout from A4 to letter and you’ll have a fatal error. Also it tends to work better under Magic than under Mint too. Nothing is perfect with abandoned softwares.
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