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Re: Geneva

Postby Dal » Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:48 am

Good luck!
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Re: Geneva

Postby viking272 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:39 pm

Hi all,

Dan from Gribnif emailed me this evening to agree to release a number of products as "donationware (free if you like)" (his words) and mentioned NeoDesk4 and Geneva.

However, he wants to create final versions (including unreleased Geneva 007) without copy protection which is very thoughtful.

It will take him a little while as he needs to build up an environment on his Mac (any recommendations on the best Mac Emulator?)

Quite a result eh?!

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Re: Geneva

Postby Dal » Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:58 pm

That's great news. The idea of "donationware" was what I put to him last time I emailed him but he never responded. I'm really glad he's looking to release a final version - that's very kind of him.
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Re: Geneva

Postby Zogging Hell » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:01 pm

I would definitely donate. Well done viking272! :cheers:
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Re: Geneva

Postby viking272 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:16 pm

Dal wrote:That's great news. The idea of "donationware" was what I put to him last time I emailed him but he never responded. I'm really glad he's looking to release a final version - that's very kind of him.

Yes it is very good of Dan.

He said he'll check with the author of STeno and STalker but he thinks they can also be included too - so quite a coup.

His only issue is how to get all his data off his TT. I may have to start a new thread on this one, he does have a serial port and Z-Modem...

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Re: Geneva

Postby TheNameOfTheGame » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:19 pm

Wonderful news. Thank you for approaching him and thanks to Dan for the gracious offer. I will be first in line to donate for a final release of geneva and neodesk.

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Re: Geneva

Postby viking272 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:23 pm

TheNameOfTheGame wrote:Wonderful news. Thank you for approaching him and thanks to Dan for the gracious offer. I will be first in line to donate for a final release of geneva and neodesk.

Having thought about "donationware" I wonder what the best way is to get money to someone across the world?
I know PayPal can do this but they take about 10% of the funds don't they?
Maybe that's the answer, but it would be good if he gets a few $$$ for his efforts!

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Re: Geneva

Postby TheNameOfTheGame » Thu Apr 04, 2013 11:43 pm

I don't know...I would imagine paypal would be the most convenient way for worldwide donations. Yes, they charge a fee, but the recipient would know that and set his price accordingly. If it is no set price then they would just take the payment after fees I guess.

I can't tell you how excited this news is. I love neodesk and geneva and they hold a special place for me. I keep both of them in their binders sitting right here next to me on my desk and have a boot setup on xboot just for that combination. I never imagined a new version coming out. That just blows me away. :D

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Re: Geneva

Postby wongck » Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:41 am

viking272 wrote:However, he wants to create final versions (including unreleased Geneva 007) without copy protection which is very thoughtful.
:D Great news. Looks like the SECRET version is finally coming out and like any 007 products should be kick-a**.
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Re: Geneva

Postby TheNameOfTheGame » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:29 am

I am ready! :D

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Re: Geneva

Postby DarkLord » Fri Apr 05, 2013 2:44 am

That is really good (and quite surprising) news. I've followed several attempts
by various interested parties in contacting Dan, and the usual result was no
response.

Can't wait to see the results! :cheers:

PS SO how fast will Neodesk/Geneva work at 40mhz? :lol:
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Re: Geneva

Postby AnakiMana » Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:13 am

Woohoo!! That's awesome news! I wonder if the manuals will be made available by Dan himself.

Even if not, it sounds like he won't mind me sharing them.

I hope he registers here so we can talk to him.

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Re: Geneva

Postby calimero » Fri Apr 05, 2013 6:58 am

I also used Geneva prior Magic... it was more stable than MagiC! I love all Dan's programs... :)
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Re: Geneva

Postby Dark Willow » Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:17 pm

This is great news. Geneva is a fantastic system, and it'd be interesting to see a final update along with Neodesk. I'd definitely be willing to chip in a little thank you for it :)
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Re: Geneva

Postby DarkLord » Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:37 pm

When its available, if we want to do a group thing so Dan sees the support,
I'm in for a monetary donation.
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Re: Geneva

Postby viking272 » Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:15 pm

DarkLord wrote:When its available, if we want to do a group thing so Dan sees the support,
I'm in for a monetary donation.


This is all really encouraging.
Potentially it will be a PayPal option to send money to Dan.

I'm still really chuffed he's making the effort to update and release the titles.

He has said it could be up to a month so we'll have to be patient.

Is it cheeky if I ask him to compile 68030 versions too? :-)


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Re: Geneva

Postby shoggoth » Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:42 pm

I emailed him about licensing the source code, since I think Geneva is too good to be lost in binary space. No reply at all though.

But I guess this is better than nothing. Personally I'd like it to be liberated so that it can be maintained and kept alive, and become a serious AES alternative for FreeMiNT.
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Re: Geneva

Postby Dark Willow » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:42 am

shoggoth wrote:I emailed him about licensing the source code, since I think Geneva is too good to be lost in binary space. No reply at all though.

But I guess this is better than nothing. Personally I'd like it to be liberated so that it can be maintained and kept alive, and become a serious AES alternative for FreeMiNT.


Fingers crossed. Geneva is gold, and it'd be great to see it stay alive and up to date.
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Re: Geneva

Postby viking272 » Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:14 am

shoggoth wrote:I emailed him about licensing the source code, since I think Geneva is too good to be lost in binary space. No reply at all though.

But I guess this is better than nothing. Personally I'd like it to be liberated so that it can be maintained and kept alive, and become a serious AES alternative for FreeMiNT.


That's a great idea.
I'll mention it to Dan also when he next emails me.

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Re: Geneva

Postby viking272 » Tue May 14, 2013 7:52 pm

Well I've not heard from Dan Wilga, so dropped him an e-mail tonight.

Will update you all when I get a reply.


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Re: Geneva

Postby viking272 » Thu May 16, 2013 2:27 pm

Hi all

Dan Wilga replied this afternoon. He's had some time constraints of late but has managed to put together his TT and fire it up, locating the all important source code.
He's going to transfer the files tonight and build the new versions in an emulator. [no timescales defined]

He's also not adverse to having a maintainer of the Geneva code but wanted to gauge the response from his donation-ware release first.

This is all Dan said, so all in all quite positive.

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Re: Geneva

Postby bj » Thu May 16, 2013 4:21 pm

Excellent news :)

Any news on the manual scanning?
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Re: Geneva

Postby TheNameOfTheGame » Thu May 16, 2013 5:03 pm

bj wrote:Excellent news :)

Any news on the manual scanning?


Yes, curious about it too. I have the manual to scan in, but wanted to wait and find out if Dan was going to release an electronic version so I am putting off scanning until we find out.

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Re: Geneva

Postby viking272 » Thu May 16, 2013 8:14 pm

I hadn't asked about the manual, however I've just emailed Dan tonight so will let you know his thoughts.

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Re: Geneva

Postby viking272 » Thu May 16, 2013 8:37 pm

viking272 wrote:I hadn't asked about the manual, however I've just emailed Dan tonight so will let you know his thoughts.


Not sure on the time zone but a speedy reply from Dan.
He'll need to check on the original documentation but isn't too sure on where the file is but does have some online help files that are semi complete (without images).
He did mention he thought it was done in Calamus, so hopefully he can find the file and we can convert (postscript?) to PDF?
Hope he can uncover something.


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