jotego wrote: BitsNStuff wrote:
Wonderful work, as always. Thank you so much!!
Is there any way that you'll be releasing a version of your excellent cores without all the advertising and begging for money?
You do have the clean version already. Just don't hit pause
. Real arcades do not have the pause button, so just don't use it and you won't see any recognition to the people supporting this.
I never got any support before Patreon, despite I had already done the sound for Megadrive, the Ghosts'n Goblins core and the sound for CPS1 and System 16 boards (YM2151). So I didn't know if people actually liked it. Sorgelig had asked me before, when we met in person, to help more on MiSTer but I refused because of lack of feedback from users. But then SmokeMonster made a video of the Ghosts'n Goblins core that triggered the idea of a Patreon.
If it weren't for the patron backers I would have never gone beyond Ghosts'n Goblins. So that's already three public cores -1942, 1943 and Commando
- done thanks to all the support both financial and emotional from patrons. And I already have Popeye
ready too, which again will become public soon after the beta release for patrons. Vulgus
, which is a patron request too, will come soon after. Other patron requests include an X68000
core, for which I have also been provided with a computer unit.
In summary,if I could do more to make my patrons feel happy and special, I would do it.
Thank you for taking the time to respond jotego, I do appreciate that.
Just to set something straight as I really want to avoid confusion with this, I am in no way criticising the wonderful work that you've done on MiSTer. Everybody really should be grateful for that work and also the work of so many other devs who have been so amazing on this project.
One of the reasons that I posted what I did was because there was no conversation about it on here and yet it's a constantly repeating topic elsewhere and I felt that it was important that a conversation like this was had publicly on here as you may not see the conversations elsewhere and it's obviously good for any creator to receive well-meaning and constructive feedback from users even if it may not quite be the feedback that they were really hoping for.
I don't see how anybody could realistically criticise the amazing work that you've because it really is that good. I have only tried 1942 and 1943, not because I don't want to play the other games but because of what I was talking about. I'll be honest, it's not easy for me to completely avoid a game like Commando which I do absolutely love but I am quite uncomfortable with the direction that some things appear to be heading in terms of commercialising this open source project.
I have absolutely no issues with you making any amount of money for the work that you have done and I have absolutely no issues with you wanting to thank people who do support you with donations. Both concepts seem absolutely fine to me. Where it becomes uncomfortable for me is how it's been implemented into the actual game
side of things. In comparison to your own
work, to the work that so many different developers have contributed and of course to the work of Sorg who has guided this project brilliantly, the way that this has been implemented somehow seems poorer in comparison, it's clumsier, cruder, cheaper. It’s below the extremely high quality of work that you and the other developers have put in to this project.
The real issue with it for me is that it's become a part of the game
itself rather than on the OSD side where it's separated from the actual game software itself. I would have absolutely no issues at all with your cores, actually, anybody's cores or even the main MiSTer menu itself containing some sort of Thank You
screen where the developers could thank whoever they see fit to thank, whether it's other developers, patreons, their beloved, their mum, their favourite cat, whatever. I would have absolutely no issues with there being avatars, photos, etc in there because it's no longer a part of the actual game which maintains the authenticity of the entire project.
It's not as if I’m against supporting MiSTer developers financially as I have been a supporter of the amazing work that Furrtek was doing on his NeoGeo core and that project is coming along perfect and has progressed so much over the past few weeks and I’d not once had any issues with him when money was taken from my bank account as I was very happy to help in the relatively small way that I was able to, because I think that we all benefit from that.
In relation to your idea of just not using the pause button, I believe that is the way that many people are dealing with this and it was how I dealt with it when using 1942 and1943. The issue with that again comes back to authenticity as there’re arcade that do allow the game to be paused. 1942 itself has dip switch settings for it in the original release as well as on Rev. A and Rev. B, Capcom refer to it as Screen Stop in their documentation because it stops the gameplay but it doesn’t actually stop the audio. I would imagine it was far more of a service setting than a home console pause button type thing though.
Because of that, for 1942 and other machines to be considered authentic it does really need to have a Stop Screen setting in the dip switches and preservation is surely one of the main pillars of the MiSTer project. Again, it is not that I have any issues with thanking people for supporting in whatever way that they have, it’s fantastic that people do that is no surprise as you’ve been fantastic in terms of everything that you have contributed. It’s just that because its currently a part of the actual game rather than being a part of the system that is running it, the OSD running with the game.
I do apologise for the lengthy reply, I thought it was important to ensure that you were aware of what I was attempting to express and I also felt it was important that you were aware on here of some of the conversations that are also taking place elsewhere. I’m not here because I wish to upset you or any of your backers, it’s just that I know that these things are pretty important to quite a few people just as I know there are people who are perfectly happy with how it is right and I know that there has been people who are understandably nervous about raising this issue because they’re so happy with everything else that you do, as I am.
Bloody hell, look at that, I could have probably written a core quicker that it took me to write this!!