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Re: USB Hub board

Postby Sorgelig » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:17 pm


according to picture, it's not compatible.

this is what i'm using:
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as you see it has 2 pins on upper side (excluding shield pins). The link has picture with 3 pins on upper side. So, it's mirrored.
And the one i'm using has 2 shield pins. They are actually not important, but nice to have for better grip.
Unfortunately i didn't find the online offer of this connector yet. If anyone will find, let me know.
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Re: USB Hub board

Postby THaase » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:24 pm

Just checked the ones I'm using for my board - and yes - you are right!
Haven't thought that there are really 2 versions available!

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby Sorgelig » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:34 pm

There is newer slimmer version of similar jacks are available: USB3150.
I wanted to use this plug but unfortunately digikey has only version with 0.75mm pins which means need to use 0.4mm board. I don't like this idea. Need to find 1.3mm version, then i can make a new bridge board.
P.S.: hmm.. they are very expensive actually.

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby THaase » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:41 pm

USB3150 - FU** -even the price is a little bit insane!
Why not use the one I'm using - OK, the row with the 5 pins is a little bit tight to solder, but I'm using normal 1.6mm board - works good - and they are cheap :D

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby Sorgelig » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:32 pm

I need to order it. It's always long time to wait from Aliexpress.
My current bridge board is also 1.6mm.
btw, may be my bridge board still can be used with mirror contacts. Just need to imagine all possible directions :)

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby cvenditti » Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:41 pm

THaase wrote:USB3150 - FU** -even the price is a little bit insane!
Why not use the one I'm using - OK, the row with the 5 pins is a little bit tight to solder, but I'm using normal 1.6mm board - works good - and they are cheap :D


Are we talking about this one - it is only $1 here:
Newark USB3150-30-130-A (1.30mm leg) (15,131 in stock):
https://www.newark.com/gct-global-conne ... dp/49Y1723

DIGIKEY USB3150-30-130-A in the US (1.30mm leg) (0 in stock 7 weeks lead):
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/ ... ND/9859720

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby Unrealcpu » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:13 pm

what is the spacing between the holes on the USB bridge? How many mm

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby Sorgelig » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:40 pm

Unrealcpu wrote:what is the spacing between the holes on the USB bridge? How many mm

you can open gerber in some viewer and measure. I don't remember exact sizes. The spacing between inner 5 contacts equals to spacing of MicroUSB contacts - they are straight.

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby Sorgelig » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:41 pm

cvenditti wrote: it is only $1 here:

only? For connector it's too much. Normal price could be $0.1-$0.2

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby Sorgelig » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:45 pm

After thinking, the connector from THaase link can be used. You need to cut the shield pins (they won't fit). Connector should be soldered from other side of board. 14mm version will work fine. 10mm version will have "tail" on bottom and may protrude down too much in some setups.
Remember in current bridge board pins 4 and 5 are wired together. That's why you need to solder mirrored connector from other side of board.

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby Unrealcpu » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:47 am

Sorgelig wrote:
Unrealcpu wrote:what is the spacing between the holes on the USB bridge? How many mm

you can open gerber in some viewer and measure. I don't remember exact sizes. The spacing between inner 5 contacts equals to spacing of MicroUSB contacts - they are straight.


Well if thats the case i found and already own several micro usb connectors with about 2mm length pins.. hope it works out.. Its the same setup as yours with the pin layout but the ground pins are not long but i am sure the solder will suck them in. They are super cheap on ali express.

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby Sorgelig » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:19 am

Then why don't post the link here?

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby Unrealcpu » Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:57 pm

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10PCS-L ... 4c4dQ7M84F


remove the plastic piece to expose the pins
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Re: USB Hub board

Postby Sorgelig » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:53 pm

yeah, i have the same connector. Plastic can be easily removed but pins are too wide to fit into PCB holes.

btw, link has completely different plug. and it's 4pin which is not compatible.

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby Unrealcpu » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:08 am

it has 5 pins

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby Sorgelig » Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:04 am

found one offer:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ ... 6e53WAYxBF

unfortunately it's not aliexpress. Not sure how hard to order from alibaba.

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby THaase » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:25 am

It works - got my DB9 - Type 5.09 - only possibility as all Aliexpress sellers send normal types ....
Do not expect the price given - the amount we need is too small (the DB9 have anounced for $0.1-$0.2) - at the end I've paid about $1 per piece - try with direct chatter.
Definetly not at easy as Aliexpress.

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby sawf01 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:16 am

Not sure if I'm missing something obvious, but which side of the "C" marked on the led pads is the anode and which is the cathode? :shrug:

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby Sorgelig » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:34 am

sawf01 wrote:Not sure if I'm missing something obvious, but which side of the "C" marked on the led pads is the anode and which is the cathode? :shrug:

Just check the schematic - all LEDs have a common anode. Check the common trace on the board.

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby sawf01 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:49 am

Thanks Sorgelig. Can't believe I didn't think of that, got a bit of a cold and my brain has gone AWOL for the day.

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby Sorgelig » Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:59 am

New options to connect USB hub board.

Using USB3150 connectors (USB3150 is on the right):
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As you see protrusion is much smaller than those noname connectors.

Using L-shaped USB connector:
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This option i like more as only tiny thing is protruding. Almost invisible.
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Re: USB Hub board

Postby NegSol » Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:48 pm

@sorgelig: Any change you could again publish the 3d files (step files) for the v1.2 USB board and the mini pcb bridges? That is, if you have them somewhere. I get some requests regarding updates of my case designs and would like to help out. :mrgreen:

Also congrats to your pcb base case design. Looks pretty slick! I like the port cut outs - spot on. Maybe I could use it to improve my design also - but that is for another day... :lol: :angel:

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby Sorgelig » Fri Apr 05, 2019 9:12 pm

NegSol wrote:Any change you could again publish the 3d files (step files) for the v1.2 USB board and the mini pcb bridges? That is, if you have them somewhere. I get some requests regarding updates of my case designs and would like to help out. :mrgreen:

I will upload step files with new USB hub. Regarding USB bridges - they don't affect the case design i think. You just need to provide 2 holes for microUSB. Or common long hole if gap between PCB and case is too big. I don't have 3d model for no-name microUSB male connector.

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby NegSol » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:30 am

Sorgelig wrote:I will upload step files with new USB hub. Regarding USB bridges - they don't affect the case design i think. You just need to provide 2 holes for microUSB. Or common long hole if gap between PCB and case is too big. I don't have 3d model for no-name microUSB male connector.


Great news!

Maybe the case design is affected though as the alignment inside the USB case add-on has to be different. In the current version I did, the USB boards are shifted to one side to bring the USB ports closer to the edge. This would have to be undone for the v1.2 USB boards.

I much appreciate your support! :mrgreen:

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Re: USB Hub board

Postby Sorgelig » Sat Apr 06, 2019 8:25 am

USB Hub v1.2 step3D:
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