MIST compatible A1200 cases

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MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby MasterOfGizmo » Mon Aug 10, 2015 12:23 pm

I've just been told that the cases from this kickstarter campain will be prepared to easily mount a MIST inside:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/a1 ... -new-molds
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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby KrisAmiga » Mon Aug 10, 2015 1:25 pm

That will be great. But what about the Keyboard?

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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby Melies » Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:58 pm

That is great news, but it opens some questions regarding the adaptation and how the board will be fitted inside such case (specifically regarding keyboard, card reader...). I will certainly support this KickStarter project very soon ! ;)
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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby Newsdee » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:55 am

It looks like it would need a 1200 keyboard (which I think still exist as new) plus a board called the Keyrah to adapt it to standard USB. It would be nice to see it mounted but I guess we'd need to wait for the molds to be done.

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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby alexh » Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:14 am

Shame MiST has no GPIO header as we could have easily implemented the A1200 keyboard interface directly.

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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby eeun » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:11 pm

The Arduino Leonardo has a few sketches available for connecting the Amiga (and ST for that matter) to USB:

http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php?topic=139358.0

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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby Jenot » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:40 pm

Yes, but Leonardo emulates full hid keyboard interface, incompatible with Mist. mist requires boot hid mode. Arduino is good for PC, RPi or Mac (i have RPi inside A500 case with Arduino Leonardo keyboard interface).

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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby Paradroyd » Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:33 pm

I would probably never do anything like this. Part of the point of the MIST for me was that it's small, very portable and fairly non-fragile (as long as you're careful with the power connector). The last thing I want (or can accommodate) is another full-sized machine taking up space.

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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby 917k » Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:04 pm

Interesting Kickstarter as the molds appear to have already been made. Well what the heck, I backed it.

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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby ryan » Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:44 am

We need something like this in an ST-type form factor, but with a PCB that can host off the shelf Cherry keyswitches. And then put MiST inside it.

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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby mahen » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:57 pm

They will design new keyboards too, but one thing at at time :)
This kickstarter really deserves to reach its goat, it'll be pretty awesome :)
I would love an ST design too ! The A1200 is less stylish, but it is also less cumbersome, which definitely is more relevant to put a small board into it !
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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby 917k » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:05 pm

I don't know... $118 (shipped to USA) each seems like a lot to me for a new Amiga case without a keyboard (certainly the absolute maximum I would pay for something like this) and the $135k goal also seems to me to be pretty steep. Still it is interesting and more useful than just as a replacement for a real A1200 so that's why I backed it.
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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby ryan » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:07 pm

Plastic moulding is apparently quite expensive still even in this age of 3d printing.

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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby ryan » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:14 pm

I think given how small the MiST is a nice retro looking case could be made that could be either 3d printed or cheaply manufactured for a lot cheaper, and just continue to use external peripherals.

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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby 917k » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:22 pm

I've looked into this and I'm pretty sure you can mill aluminum molds on a CNC machine fairly inexpensively. I recall making steel molds is a different process and are a lot more expensive to make but then again, I think they only make steel molds for very high production parts.

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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby Melies » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:29 pm

ryan wrote:I think given how small the MiST is a nice retro looking case could be made that could be either 3d printed or cheaply manufactured for a lot cheaper, and just continue to use external peripherals.


I think so, something like the "Armiga" project : http://www.armigaproject.com/

The curent "design" of the MiST box is fairly "basic", but sturdy and practical. I am dreaming of a small box, but more with the original ST design in mind...
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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby ryan » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:47 pm

For me, I want something that has rack ears and puts the MIDI ports in the back. But also looks cool.

Or more ambitiously, something is this form factor: http://cdn.roland.com/assets/images/pro ... t_main.jpg

I would kill for that.

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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby mahen » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:48 pm

This is pretty "expensive" due to their having to build 3 moulds. However I presume further units could be cheaper afterwards. But if people wait, this project will never make it :) Also, shipping is cheaper if you buy several units...

What is interesting too is that this project is endorsed by quite a few famour individuals / groups (see the included signatures and special cases versions ;).

I'm wondering why 3D printing cannot be used, too. I'm sure they have thought about that too :)

I'm quite enthusiatic about it because this is the only thing I was missing with the MiST, although I'm well aware this is 99% due to nostalgia ;)
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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby 917k » Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:18 pm

This is pretty "expensive" due to their having to build 3 moulds.


:megaphone: Yes, thank you I can read :) I meant of course it seems like a large goal even with all things considered (including the tooling).

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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby darkxavier » Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:38 pm

80k for the moulds IIRC
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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby amenophis » Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:39 am

mahen wrote:I'm wondering why 3D printing cannot be used, too. I'm sure they have thought about that too :)


Hello Mahen,

With 3D printing we don't get the overall quality of a real case. And it is costly regarding the size of the case and quantities to manufacture.
Also, again regarding the size of the case there is only industrial 3D printing machines that can do that.

3D printing technologies is not something reliable YET (as of today), for this kind of production.
In some years it will i guess.

Thanks to all of you for your support.
I've just registered on your forum to thank you and answer to mahen!

I would not have thought that Atari community would have an eye on our project ;)

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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby ryan » Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:36 pm

I backed the project, but it'd be nice if you made an option for two MIDI ports for the MiST for us Atari folks :-)

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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby Newsdee » Sat Aug 15, 2015 12:26 am

Is it possible for it to have four USB ports? Both the MiST and the RPi2 have them, and pictures seem to show only two.

Also I'd be interested in seeing some details on how the MiST and the RPi will be mounted in them. For developers the MiST needs to have the JTAG connectors exposed (but of course one could plug them and have the cables coming out somewhere, though).

Cool project and good luck with the KS campaign!

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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby amenophis » Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:22 pm

Newsdee wrote:Is it possible for it to have four USB ports? Both the MiST and the RPi2 have them, and pictures seem to show only two.

Also I'd be interested in seeing some details on how the MiST and the RPi will be mounted in them. For developers the MiST needs to have the JTAG connectors exposed (but of course one could plug them and have the cables coming out somewhere, though).

Cool project and good luck with the KS campaign!


Hi Newsdee,

Currently we have 2 USB ports only as we're support the RapidRoad USB adapter. But getting 2 more ports should not be an issue for you guys, because when you install a Raspberry Pi or MiST card in here, there is plenty of room on the rear I/O Panel ;)

For developers, we think its better for them to follow your example.

Thanks to all of you.

We're on our 4 last KS days, and we've achieved 52% of our goal.
We received a lot of comments stating that the goal is too high, but after time passes people start to understand why it is like this. But this takes time.
Also we've kind launched this KS ONLY on 30 days and during full vacations period, to test the audience.

We're really happy for all the support we had so far !


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Please if you're interested to get a case from us, add your email address to our contact list on our website: http://www.a1200.net
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Re: MIST compatible A1200 cases

Postby 917k » Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:03 pm

Hopefully you have a plan B aside from the KS goal. I want 3 cases but I only backed 1 case as I am not willing to risk any more $$$ than that until I see these actually being produced. At that time, I would be in for a couple more different colors. Hopefully black, gray, and transparent will be offered at some point and matching/contrasting keycaps are a must. I think you are on to something here. Best of luck!


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