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Dumping Falcon original games

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:34 pm
by LaurentS
Hi all,

I've been given some Falcon originals (with the box and manual).
I've just seen that Apex media's ROM is not available under atarimania.

I've got (all falcon originals) :
- Ishar 2
- Apex media
- Transarctica
- Sheer agony
- oxyd magnum

I wanted to read the Small guide for making Pasti-images available at the link given by steven upper in this thread, but it seems the link is broken.

If I can help to preserve some programs, it's with pleasure. (I already sent some ST games in sweden a few months ago).

Any help on how to transform the floppies ?

Regards

Thadoss

Re: WANTED: most missing images

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 3:52 pm
by dlfrsilver
Falcon is using 1,44mb disks, and this format is not supported by AUFIT..... I wonder if Dr Coolzic could work out AUFIT so that this format can be dumped as STX files....

Do you happen to have a kryoflux board by chance ? :)

Re: WANTED: most missing images

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 4:15 pm
by AtariZoll
I don't think that Pasti support HD (1.44 MB) format. Also, don't think that all those Falcon games are on HD floppies.
So, what you need is: some ST, STE . Falcon is not suitable for Pasti imaging. Usage is actually pretty simple, when you know what doing :D If no hard disk on ST(E) then it is little more work - need to prepare transfer floppy . If no access to ST(E) then best to send, bring those floppies to someone who has.
Instruction for imaging: http://www.atarimania.com/atari_forum/v ... =32&t=2528

Re: WANTED: most missing images

Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2015 5:43 pm
by LaurentS
> Do you happen to have a kryoflux board by chance ? :)

No, I don't.

But it seems that the floppy disks are not protected (the manual says that I can copy the content of the floppies on my hard disk (that's what I've done for Ishaar 2).

Maybe a simple .zip of the 2 floppies should be enough if you're interrested ?

Regards

Laurent

Re: WANTED: most missing images

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:49 am
by dlfrsilver
Ishar 2 and Transarctica are copy protected. Or not ? Do you have to let your disk 1 inside the drive when you play from hard drive ?

Re: WANTED: most missing images

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:03 am
by AtariZoll
Ishar 2 has copy protection on disk 1. Additionally there is some manual protection activating randomly at later stages. What I don't see here is: is LaurentS having special Falcon version of Ishar II, or it is just regular one, Falcon compatible ?

Re: WANTED: most missing images

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 1:12 pm
by dlfrsilver
He indicated he has the specific falcon versions of Ishar II and Transarctica. The thing is those games use 1.44mb disks :(

Ishar 2 has 2 manual checks, and transarctica has 3 spanned in the whole game.

Re: WANTED: most missing images

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 2:25 pm
by AtariZoll
According to Atarimania Ishar 2 release from 1993 is Falcon compatible too. So, my best idea is that it is noticed on Package.
It would be good that LaurentS perform that Show Info in Desktop and then will see what is capacity of floppies :-)

Re: WANTED: most missing images

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:32 pm
by AtariZoll
Here is ISHAR2, based on 3 floppy release (Pasti images at Atarimania), with removed copy protection. It works well on Falcon, from hard drive. Manual protection is still there, so be ready that will ask some words during play.
ISHAR2.ZIP

Re: WANTED: most missing images

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:38 pm
by AtariZoll
Btw. someone should move last 8 messages here into some other section. This really belongs not in most wanted images. Nothing listed there except Apex Media is not missing.

Re: WANTED: most missing images

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:46 pm
by Brume
AtariZoll wrote:Btw. someone should move last 8 messages here into some other section. This really belongs not in most wanted images. Nothing listed there except Apex Media is not missing.


Done.

Btw, I imaged Ishar II for Atari Falcon last year.
I still have no idea how to validate the dumps before spreading them...

Re: Dumping Falcon original games

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:13 pm
by LaurentS
Hi all,

All the disks are the falcon version (256 colors, 1,44 mo).
I've got the manuals (if needed I can scan them).

I've played a bit to Ishaar 2 lask week and I didn't keep the floppy into the drive (but maybe I didn't play long enough).


> Nothing listed there except Apex Media is not missing.

I haven't seen the falcon versions of the games under atarimania, but just the ST version (I may be wrong).
I know these games can be found on Tof site : http://christophe.bray.free.fr/informatique/ (I think the programs are the cracked ones, not the originals).

I'm asking here if I can help with preservation of originals.

Regards

Laurent

Re: Dumping Falcon original games

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 9:30 pm
by AtariZoll
If disks are 1.44 MB (HD) you can not make images of copy protected ones. Then best to organize it with someone who owns SCP device.
For not copy protected stuff this may serve: http://atari.8bitchip.info/floimgd.php
Possible that Falcon version of Ishar 2 is not copy protected. Copy protection activates right before game start, and no such by Falcon v. to make it hard disk installable.

Re: Dumping Falcon original games

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2015 11:41 pm
by dlfrsilver
LaurentS wrote:Hi all,

All the disks are the falcon version (256 colors, 1,44 mo).
I've got the manuals (if needed I can scan them).

I've played a bit to Ishaar 2 lask week and I didn't keep the floppy into the drive (but maybe I didn't play long enough).


The silmarils on disk protection is normally tested before the silmarils logo appears on screen. One sure way to verify this matter is to check
the game manual.

Silmarils stated for earlier releases that the game had a copy protection (detailed in the hard drive installation process).


> Nothing listed there except Apex Media is not missing.

I haven't seen the falcon versions of the games under atarimania, but just the ST version (I may be wrong).
I know these games can be found on Tof site : http://christophe.bray.free.fr/informatique/ (I think the programs are the cracked ones, not the originals).

I'm asking here if I can help with preservation of originals.

Regards

Laurent


Yes you can, but you need one of the two systems actually available : either the supercard pro (if you want to get a bit 2 bit copy from your original disks), or the kryoflux system (made expressively for preservation purposes).

Re: Dumping Falcon original games

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:58 am
by Marakatti
Resurrecting an old subject. I also have a couple of Falcon originals and SuperCard Pro. So which settings to use for Falcon preservation? Disks are in HD format so should i go with PC 1.44 mode or with Atari ST mode? Does the software automatically read the disk config for correct sectors/tracks or should i edit something manually?