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Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby Retrogamer_ST » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:35 am

I have always been a demo lover and Big Demo was the first demo that i got for my Atari ST. Then i got Union Demo and many more.

Now...The most impressive demo ever?

Easy choice for me

No Cooper Demo

Some of the screens in that demo is a quite amazing exemple of what Atari ST is capable of me think. I even went WOW serveral times before the demo was finished.

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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby Shredder11 » Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:52 pm

Is that demo really for both ST and STE? I noticed that some of the music was in stereo and that the colour palette seemed larger.

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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby Retrogamer_ST » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:36 pm

It's for STE. Never the less, a very impressive demo that probably uses the hardware scroller.

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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby npomarede » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:40 pm

Mhhh, no, the No Cooper is not for STE only, although it should work on STE.
It was completly developped on STF, so there should be no STE enhancement (except maybe the soundtrack part, I don't remember if the mod player by Griff detected the STE)

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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby Ray » Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:15 pm

No Cooper, the technically MOST impressive demo on the ST? You can't be serious. I honor your opinion, but did you ever see Cuddly Demos (TCB), Dark side of the Spoon (ULM) just to mention two which initially come to my mind when thinking of technical excellence? These are BY FAR more advanced ... And i bet there are at least 100 more ;)

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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby Steven Seagal » Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:49 pm

These days I test many demos. I have no opinion on the most impressive demo ever, but I would mention:

- the menu fullscreen of SoWatt is quite impressive and in your face.
- all Dragonnels demos are impressive.
- the Lemmings scrolling in Nostalgia.
- DoTS seconded
- Overscan Demos, screens 1 & 6.
- TB2
- ...
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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby Shredder11 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:03 pm

I thought the No Cooper demo was more attractive than impressive or technically whizzy. I enjoyed it but was not blown away etc. Nothing wrong with just enjoying a demo or being entertained.

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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby Retrogamer_ST » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:14 pm

Ray wrote:No Cooper, the technically MOST impressive demo on the ST? You can't be serious. I honor your opinion, but did you ever see Cuddly Demos (TCB), Dark side of the Spoon (ULM) just to mention two which initially come to my mind when thinking of technical excellence? These are BY FAR more advanced ... And i bet there are at least 100 more ;)


Perhaps i'll better motivate why?

Hundreds or thousands of on screen colours moving smoother then anything i ever seen on ST. And not a single slowdown. One of the effects in No Cooper Demo is very similar to an effect in a benchmark demo for PC when my 1 Ghz PC gave up 5 years ago. Not even that, when watching No Cooper demo, is like watching something in at least 800*600 on a ST.

One word to descibe this excellent demo is...smooth (in both movement and resolution).

Yes, i think No Cooper is an extremly impressive demo. (the most beautiful demo i have seen too)

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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby Shredder11 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:26 pm

Well that is true it was very smooth.

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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby Retrogamer_ST » Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:31 pm

Shredder11 wrote:Well that is true it was very smooth.


No matter how much on screen, everything is silk smooth all the time. Some of the effects must be quite hard on the processor because they used similar effects in benchmark tests.

The only thing that could have been a bit better is the chip music. ;)

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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby Ray » Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:46 pm

Retrogamer_ST wrote:
Shredder11 wrote:Well that is true it was very smooth.


No matter how much on screen, everything is silk smooth all the time. Some of the effects must be quite hard on the processor because they used similar effects in benchmark tests.

The only thing that could have been a bit better is the chip music. ;)


I don't know which effect you mean, if its the colors/rasters moving around:
Most of the effects in this demo are done using raster-splits. Not very hard to do, but they use a lot of processor time indeed. They are always smooth, because they run in sync with the raster electron ray.
Afaik on the PC there is no such thing as hardware-rasters, so the effect is much harder to code. It also scales with processor power, so thats why it is used as a benchmark there.

Anyway, if you like the effect, then this is the demo for you :) Btw., the name of the demo is derived from a chip called "copper" which is build in the amiga (they called the demo "cooper", because it sounded better for them). The copper chip on the amiga is used for exactly the kind of color effects shown in this demo.

In our "Punish your Machine"-Demo, there is a screen called "Copper-ka-bah-nah", which also shows similar effects ;)

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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby Retrogamer_ST » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:47 pm

@Ray

Thanks for the info and the tips. :)

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Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby CoolCoyote » Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:04 pm

Ray wrote:No Cooper, the technically MOST impressive demo on the ST? You can't be serious. I honor your opinion, but did you ever see Cuddly Demos (TCB), Dark side of the Spoon (ULM) just to mention two which initially come to my mind when thinking of technical excellence? These are BY FAR more advanced ... And i bet there are at least 100 more ;)


Not for me as it doesnt work on my STE ;)

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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby jazz » Fri Dec 16, 2011 9:40 pm

Btw Ray, whatever happened to "Shock Therapy" ? It's a shame it never materialized. Any chance of getting old screens released one day ?

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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby christos » Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:13 pm

Since the ever goes to the present as well, let's not forget stuff by Checkpoint.
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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby Ray » Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:21 pm

jazz wrote:Btw Ray, whatever happened to "Shock Therapy" ? It's a shame it never materialized. Any chance of getting old screens released one day ?


:) Sorry, I'm pretty sure the sources do not exist any more ...

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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby MiggyMog » Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:25 pm

From the olden days, DOTS & PYM, Ooh crikey.

DOTS is so well put together & fullscreen just about everywhere. Gunstick mentions that a DAC on the printer port is suported where there samples are played. Also on 1MEG the menu music is very comical.
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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby Retrogamer_ST » Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:18 pm

The greatest of them all is the intro to Electra Demo

Aaah, so beautiful...that's digital art.

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The first time i ever booted my ST with Electra Demo i was surprised, but after a reset the demo looked a lot better. ;)

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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby Nyh » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:39 pm

Retrogamer_ST wrote:The first time i ever booted my ST with Electra Demo i was surprised, but after a reset the demo looked a lot better. ;)

Yes, that must be the best reset demo of all time. :-)

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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby nativ » Wed Jan 04, 2012 11:40 pm

I loved the unpredictable 'features' of some demos like the reset screens! amongst others!
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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby Ayreon » Fri Jan 06, 2012 2:55 pm

There are a lot of demo's ( too many to mention) that impressed me because of the coding skills, gfx and/or msx. Often the appreciation is based on knowing the limitations of the machine and seeing coders and artist pushing the machine to or over its limits. However Grotesque by Omega is to me very impressive by its self. No matter if it uses wizcoding or not to make it happen.

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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby BoNuS » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:04 pm

Synergy Mega demo, esp. the 3D part (Pajaro), was the best for me on ST.
Technical and ofcourse very nice music...
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On the ST it all worked in 1 vbl, impressive !
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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby Zorro 2 » Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:33 pm

The best multipart is french, Dune : Illusion
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The best technical fullscreen : Dim screen in the European Demo
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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby nativ » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:35 pm

I suppose Delirious 3, Mindbomb and MDEMO3/4 are my favourites.. and Crossbones( Kaos Meeting demo )
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Re: Most impressive ST demo ever?

Postby Chrischzz » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:52 am

Hey.. Nice to see a screen mentioned here that my brother created.. The awesome Lemmings scroller/color shock whatever it is called..

Not quite sure how it fits technically in everything.. I do know it took him ages to finish it..



Impressive stuff as always are the things ULM and Carebears did for Spoon and Cuddly..


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